Collar clash?
phnatacc
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Just curious really...
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Erik
<< <i>I think it's called "finning."
Erik >>
+1
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looks like 'strike doubling', or also
called mechanical doubling....
I've seen this effect on numerous
Morgan dollars, and do not consider
it an error.
As far as 'finning' - finning is a very thin
raised area on the outer edge of the coin's
obverse (usually) due to the Die being
slightly mis-aligned when it comes down
and stikes a coin- the very small area of
mis-alignment of the die to the collar will
cause the metal to flow up, leaving a thin
'lip' - it can be a small area, or in some
cases 50% or more of the rim is raised,
or 'finned'.
( I need to add that the mis-alignment of
the obv. die would be vertically; if it were
a horizontal mis-alignment, you'd have
a MAD - A Mis-Aligned Die which is different
than a Finned Rim coin)
<< <i>pardon my ignorance but what would be " finning "? i dont ever remember hearing of that. just wondering is all. >>
coinworld.com article with reference to "finning."
Erik
TD
but it's very difficult from the scans
to make any firm determination.
Just doesn't look like it to me, but I'm
open to further scans or info on this piece.
<< <i>Doesn't look like a collar clash at all-
looks like 'strike doubling', or also
called mechanical doubling....
I've seen this effect on numerous
Morgan dollars, and do not consider
it an error.
As far as 'finning' - finning is a very thin
raised area on the outer edge of the coin's
obverse (usually) due to the Die being
slightly mis-aligned when it comes down
and stikes a coin- the very small area of
mis-alignment of the die to the collar will
cause the metal to flow up, leaving a thin
'lip' - it can be a small area, or in some
cases 50% or more of the rim is raised,
or 'finned'.
( I need to add that the mis-alignment of
the obv. die would be vertically; if it were
a horizontal mis-alignment, you'd have
a MAD - A Mis-Aligned Die which is different
than a Finned Rim coin) >>
Mr. Weinberg can you please elaborate a bit more on your not labeling this(Mech. Doubling/Morgan examples) an error. As I understand it there are errors or varieties,or are there more classifications that I am unaware of? So if the minting process produces a faulty specimen such as this piece what classification will this fall under? I thought that any mistake in the minting process resulting in a faulty product was construed as an error/variety. I am by no means questioning your knowledge, as it outdistances mine. Just want to know the category this would fall under for future reference. Thanks.
coin were submitted to a TPG under the Error tier.
There are numerous anomalies that occur in the
striking of coins during the minting process -
and yes, they would be 'errors', but not necessarily
collectable or certifiable as such.
<< <i>Just curious really... >>
do we get full obv and rev shots to see the date or the clash at a diff angle.
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<< <i>Just curious really... >>
do we get full obv and rev shots to see the date or the clash at a diff angle.
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Yup. Sorry, I was going to reply last night but, I was at the Baltimore show and hotels the NAT killed the PASV on my SFTP. Thanks everyone for the replies.
It is a 1903 Morgan. I check a lot of Morgans for VAMs, regardless of their rarity or value, and it was actually your VAM-1D that prompted me to ask the question.
Thanks again to all for the analysis. Probably no reason for a different angle, but if anyone wants one I'll take it tomorrow while imaging some of my Baltimore newps,
it looks like my 1D kind of. i have high-res images linked from the 1d page you can check several pups for against your coin.
your collar clash positioning seems to match but overall appears different.
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when communicating with LVA, he often times will refer people to his wonderful publications (some authors could take lessons from him) and tell you which features are explained on which page in which publication.
i pulled this off of one of his communications to share specifically for this thread:
only list reeding indents as too hard to differentiate between finning and collar edge clash, as explained on pg. 97 in "Wonders of Peace Dollars" by Leroy Van Allen.]
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