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Real or Fake? 1870cc Half Dollar

AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,039 ✭✭✭✭✭
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First I've seen but is it fake all the way or just an added mint mark?

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1870cc
Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,084 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not genuine, but the pics are so bad I cannot tell if just the mint mark is fake or the entire coin.
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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    added mintmark or mintmarks image

    does it increase in value going from charlotte to carson city?
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    BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,200 ✭✭✭✭
    The mintmark does look a little funky...

    But I would need better pics to say with absolute certainty that it's fake. Still, I suggest avoiding the coin (if you were ever interested in bidding).
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    tydyetydye Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭
    Looks added. Bad pics on expensive coin is always a flag
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    DaveWcoinsDaveWcoins Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭
    Can you contact the seller and ask for blurrier photos?

    He has several photos of the coin -- all quite blurry -- but I think they could still be blurrier. I can still make out the date.

    Seriously, we would need better photos to have a shot at determining authenticity.

    Proceed with caution.
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    jmcu12jmcu12 Posts: 2,452 ✭✭✭
    I agree with the 'fake' crowd
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    tydyetydye Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭
    The second C on this one looks higher. Looking at my WB book. They are even.
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    BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,200 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The second C on this one looks higher. Looking at my WB book. They are even. >>



    Looking at CoinFacts, I believe there were at least two reverse dies used for this date, both with different mintmark placements.

    I'm not saying I think the eBay coin is legit, but just that comparing one coin's mintmark placement to that of another coin is not always the best way to determine authenticity. Now if a certain type of coin was struck using only one reverse die for that date, then mintmark placement could be used to conclude whether it's real or not.
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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,432 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When in doubt, I check the seller's other items.

    It usually provides you a very good clue.

    In this case, if you're thinking 'genuine', then you better think again.
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    tydyetydye Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭
    Busthalfbrian - You are correct. I should not of been so quick. This time I pulled out the Registry by Bugert. And there are 3 reverses - and on the 3rd reverse the second C is high.
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    shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just reading the back "story" makes me think fake.
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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,152 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Just reading the back "story" makes me think fake. >>


    Ya think? image I don't know nuthin about no coins, but I took it to a coin guy I know and he tried to rip me off.....LOL!

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    tydyetydye Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭
    Here are the 3 reverse CCs from Bugert's book
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    1868LargeCent1868LargeCent Posts: 335 ✭
    Whole coin is fake. Look at the edge...IT IS CLAD! Run Forrest Run.
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,895 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Not genuine, but the pics are so bad I cannot tell if just the mint mark is fake or the entire coin. >>



    Yes another out of focus picture for an expensive coin ...

    We see this pattern time and time again.

    You can take this one to the bank. If the photography sucks the piece offered probably sucks too ... in a VERY BIG way.
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    morgansforevermorgansforever Posts: 8,510 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would stay away, blurry images, key date, no returns, estate story, jewelry box, nuff said. Better images would help tremendously.
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    kazkaz Posts: 9,367 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The mm may very well look ok if it's a transfer die copy. Image is just fuzzy enough to obscure crucial details. funny that all pix are fuzzy to the same degree! Looks like a pirate ship with red flags flying along w/skull and crossbones. Aaaarh!
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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Look at the 7 and 0 in the date. The 7 is much smaller than on a genuine 1870-CC, and both the 7 and 0 are bolder and slightly different in font character than the 1 and 8.
    When in doubt, don't.
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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,039 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Look at the 7 and 0 in the date. The 7 is much smaller than on a genuine 1870-CC, and both the 7 and 0 are bolder and slightly different in font character than the 1 and 8. >>



    I picked up on that before I saw the reverse......yes, I agree.

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    rec78rec78 Posts: 5,952 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you have a fake coin use bad pics and maybe you can fool smoeone. In this day and age a two year old can take better photos. Bad pix=bad coin.

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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,039 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oh my, ebay is fast. Didn't even report and it's gone already.....thanks all.

    bobimage
    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com

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