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"My Life Preserver": The Coolest Civil War Double Eagle?

ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,486 ✭✭✭✭✭
I have to say this is probably one of the coolest, if not the coolest, Civil War Double Eagle I've come across (on CNN.com now). We don't have to imagine as much about what this coin went through during the Civil War!



<< <i>Lt. George Dixon, according to legend, received this coin as a good-luck charm from his beloved, said to be from Mobile, Alabama. It was bent by a bullet when he was wounded at the Battle of Shiloh, two years before the Hunley made history. He had it engraved and carried it the rest of his life. It was found with his remains by Hunley Project scientists. >>



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    3keepSECRETif2rDEAD3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Another Link

    ...this story was way cool when I read it...it may have already been posted here, but it's cool enough to post again image

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    kazkaz Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's one of the most amazing pieces of numismatic history I've ever seen.
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    kiyotekiyote Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would take this over a '33 Saint in a heartbeat.
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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 39,505 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ED
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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,486 ✭✭✭✭✭
    At first I was thinking it would be great to get this into collector hands but after reading George Dixon was in command of the Hunley when it went down, I think it should stay with his ship.

    The coin is credited with saving his leg after being shot at point blank range. Very cool story.

    Here's a photo:

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    SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,125 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>That's one of the most amazing pieces of numismatic history I've ever seen. >>




    +100
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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,486 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I was looking at the orientation of the engraving and think it's neat that "UNITED" was chosen to be sanded off, leaving "STATES OF AMERICA" and "TWENTY D" image
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,542 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>ED
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    tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,610 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ironically, he would have made it to the surface except for being weighted down by the double eagle. image
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Certainly a great coin with such a documented history. Think of all the coins with incredible histories that we do not know.... one of the many intriguing things about this hobby.... Cheers, RickO
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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,189 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Ironically, he would have made it to the surface except for being weighted down by the double eagle. image >>



    Maybe the extra weight of the coin dragged the whole sub to the bottom ... OK, so it didn't.

    The full article has some interesting information I had not heard before.

    1. The sub attacked on the surface (not unusual for a submarine attack even much later) and was spotted and fired upon before reaching the ship.

    2. The sub was only about twenty feet from the ship when its "torpedo" (actually an explosive charge attached to a spar) exploded.

    3. There was apparently no escape attempt by the crew. They died at or near their stations.

    4. One of the hatches was not properly sealed.

    The article says they don't know just what happened. My guess:

    The crew was knocked unconscious by the force of the blast, which was only twenty feet away. The faulty hatch allowed water to enter the sub causing it to sink. The "blue signal light" seen on shore didn't come from the sub as it apparently didn't have a blue signal light. It probably came from a rescue ship.

    Only five Federal sailors were killed vs. the eight Confederate sailors who died in the sub.
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    NapNap Posts: 1,771 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What's amazing is that this story was known before the actual coin was discovered at the sub wreck.

    One of the coolest coin stories, that actually was proved to be true fairly recently.

    That double eagle deserves to be in a museum. Its numismatic value is nil.
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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,486 ✭✭✭✭✭
    From the article:



    << <i>The Union fleet was well aware of the Hunley's danger -- to its own occupants.

    Five members of the first crew died in August 1863 when it accidentally dived while its hatches apparently were open. The second crew's eight members succumbed in October when the Hunley failed to return to the surface.[...]

    Still, those who volunteered for the mission against the 205-foot USS Housatonic must have been well aware of the perils when approached by Hunley skipper Lt. George Dixon.

    "This took some serious bravery here. I wouldn't want to go in there," says forensic genealogist Linda Abrams, who has conducted extensive research on the Hunley crew. "They know some other people had drowned in it. They had to have some faith in Dixon." >>

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    YorkshiremanYorkshireman Posts: 4,603 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As a Civil War history nut as well as Civil War date collector, that is an incredible story!
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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    Hmmm... I hate to say this, but that does not look like a coin that was struck by a bullet. I would think a gold coin would show far more damage from such a tremendous impact.


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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,486 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Hmmm... I hate to say this, but that does not look like a coin that was struck by a bullet. I would think a gold coin would show far more damage from such a tremendous impact. >>



    I agree the coin doesn't look like it was shot with a bullet embedded in it as the story goes. Digging further, I found this link:

    Is George E. Dixons Gold Coin Fake?

    Of interest:

    - Maria Jacobsen finds the coin after promising to find it to Queenie's great grand-daughter
    - There's no record of a story of the Dixon coin until 1904
    - The Shiloh story is that the coin was bent and the bullet was embedded in it

    So is this story a hoax and is the coin a fabrication? What do you think?

    Is this another Washington Nugget - which apparently I found a lot of articles on back in 2011.
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    steelieleesteelielee Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭
    Saw the Hunley exhibit 5 years ago in Charlseton,SC. The sub itself was still immersed in the chemical tank designed to stabilize the ships metals. THe exhibit also had numerous artifacts recovered from the sub including Dixon's $20 Shiloh double eagle. As the story goes, it was struck by a musket ball, not a bullet, while in his pants pocket. UNfortunately, the museum prohibited picture s of the sub itself, the coin and several of the other artifacts recovered.

    The exhibit is definitely worth the time if you're in Charleston. While you're there, the trips to Fort Sumter and Moultrie are definelty worth the time as well.
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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>As the story goes, it was struck by a musket ball, not a bullet, while in his pants pocket. >>


    I agree a musket ball is significantly different from a bullet. However, the force delivered by a musket ball at "point blank" is huge and still should have destroyed that coin. I remember shooting a musket ball from a flint lock into a tree many years ago and was astonished by it's power.




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    MGLICKERMGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭
    Sky and Telescope did an interesting piece on the Hunley a bit over a year ago.

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    kazkaz Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are a lot of variables to consider. He may have been struck by a nearly spent Minie ball, or a pistol bullet, a piece of buckshot from a "buck and ball" load. Could have even been a piece of shrapnel from a shell. Shiloh was chaotic.
    The Hunley was a deathrap and I am amazed that those men would set foot in it. Heck, it killed Hunley himself! I remember watching an episode of "American Heritage" (60's TV show) and being transfixed by the story.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,542 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Hmmm... I hate to say this, but that does not look like a coin that was struck by a bullet. I would think a gold coin would show far more damage from such a tremendous impact. >>



    Perhaps it was hammered flat, with a wood block protecting the coin, prior to the engraving. >>



    The pure lead bullets of this era are much softer than the 900 fine gold alloyed with copper used to make gold coins. As previously stated it appears this coin deflected some projectile that struck the double eagle at an angle. During this time period even a minor flesh wound could prove to be fatal due to infection and blood loss.

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    Considering force= mass x acceleration: if the point blank-ness was truly point blank and the projectile was still in the act of accelerating the force would be lessened.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,542 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Considering force= mass x acceleration: if the point blank-ness was truly point blank and the projectile was still in the act of accelerating the force would be lessened. >>



    I think you mean deaccelerating. Once a projectile leaves a gun, the projectile immediately starts to slow down due to air resistance.

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,189 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The angle at which the coin was struck would be very important regarding its ability to deflect the shot.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,542 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The angle at which the coin was struck would be very important regarding its ability to deflect the shot. >>



    Agree---looks like it hit at a fairly acute angle from the way the coin is bent.

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