.9999 JFK being considered by the U.S. Mint

Swampboy · February 15, 2014 3:28AM

Evidently the CCAC is considering design options.

from Coin World

Zoins · February 15, 2014 3:35AM

If they go with this:

- I hope they make an Accented Hair variety

- I would prefer the dual date to indicate the commemorative nature.

ricko · February 15, 2014 3:38AM

Definitely prefer the accented hair variety....And what will the reverse be??.... Cheers, RickO

csdot · February 15, 2014 3:52AM

Reproducing an existing coin in another material is uninspired and honestly not worth the effort. Looks too much like one of those gold plated novelty coins the kids like so much.

Zoins · February 15, 2014 3:55AM

<< Reproducing an existing coin in another material is uninspired and honestly not worth the effort. >>

I disagree.

It has been shown over and over again that collectors are inspired by past designs.

Michael Moran, a collector on the CCAC panel, said, “It’s going to sell well however you do it.”

Zoins · February 15, 2014 4:00AM

It's a bit disappointing that they will be lowering the relief. With digital sculpting today, even using the original galvano isn't quite the same anymore:

<< Mint officials plan to use the Kennedy half dollar’s original obverse design, which was created by U.S. Mint Chief Engraver Gilroy Roberts for a medal and adapted for coin use.

U.S. Mint officials stated during the CCAC meeting that Roberts’ original plaster model for the coin’s obverse has not been located.

U.S. Mint spokesman Michael White, responding by email Feb. 12 to Coin World’s questions, said: “We located the galvano from 1964 and scanned that to capture the detail. We then located the 1964 master tooling and scanned that to determine heights of relief, basin curvature, and aspect ratio of the effigy. The galvano scan was then digitally modified to reduce height of relief and aspect ratio, while being true to the 1964 sculpt (galvano). The final digital sculpt was placed on the basin, lettering added, and tooling generated for testing. >>

edix2001 · February 15, 2014 4:01AM

That Clinton half dollar looks good in gold.

LanLord · February 15, 2014 4:02AM

Do this and finish the series.

Put Lady Liberty on the next series at this denomination.

derryb · February 15, 2014 4:04AM

I'm waiting for the Jackie coin.

Zoins · February 15, 2014 4:05AM

<< That Clinton half dollar looks good in gold. >>

Other people think it looks like Clinton as well:

19Lyds · February 15, 2014 4:18AM

<< It's a bit disappointing that they will be lowering the relief. With digital sculpting today, even using the original galvano isn't quite the same anymore:

<< Mint officials plan to use the Kennedy half dollar’s original obverse design, which was created by U.S. Mint Chief Engraver Gilroy Roberts for a medal and adapted for coin use.

U.S. Mint officials stated during the CCAC meeting that Roberts’ original plaster model for the coin’s obverse has not been located.

U.S. Mint spokesman Michael White, responding by email Feb. 12 to Coin World’s questions, said: “We located the galvano from 1964 and scanned that to capture the detail. We then located the 1964 master tooling and scanned that to determine heights of relief, basin curvature, and aspect ratio of the effigy. The galvano scan was then digitally modified to reduce height of relief and aspect ratio, while being true to the 1964 sculpt (galvano). The final digital sculpt was placed on the basin, lettering added, and tooling generated for testing. >>

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Yeah yeah yeah!

Just from looking at the photographs, there's just not much to get excited about unless you get excited about the current Silver Proof crap they produce. The laser etching, IMO, DETROYS any design effort put into the coin.

It's just junk.

scooter25 · February 15, 2014 4:43AM

I want it!!!!

MsMorrisine · February 15, 2014 4:54AM

the 2013 Mint annual report stated, without any condition, there would be a 50th anniversary release of some sort.

it would be cool from a collecting standpoint to have accented hair. However, since that was changed 50 years ago with cause, then I don't think it should change back.

MFH · February 15, 2014 4:58AM

<< Do this and finish the series.

Put Lady Liberty on the next series at this denomination. >>

Couldn't agree more with you !

Zoins · February 15, 2014 4:58AM

<< it would be cool from a collecting standpoint to have accented hair. However, since that was changed 50 years ago with cause, then I don't think it should change back. >>

I would like to think it depends on what the galvano has

Ethan · February 15, 2014 5:23AM

Here is a Clinton for you...

19Lyds · February 15, 2014 5:49AM

<< 

<< Reproducing an existing coin in another material is uninspired and honestly not worth the effort. >>

I disagree.

It has been shown over and over again that collectors are inspired by past designs.

Michael Moran, a collector on the CCAC panel, said, “It’s going to sell well however you do it.” >>

The "current" Kennedy Design and "current manufacturing process" (which totally destroys any detail of the design) will certainly not make an inspirational collectible. Past designs that are "inspirational" are the Walking Liberty Design on the SAE, the Saint Gaudens Design on the UHR and the Buffalo Design on the 1 oz Bullion Piece.

A modern presidential "design" is anything BUT inspirational and to compare a re-creation of the Kennedy Design in .9999 fine gold with these past designs only goes to demonstrate what CCAC is all about and why current coin designs have totally sucked since the inception of the CCAC.

Any inspiration at all will come at the cost of the buyers once the flippers start moving these through First Strike™ Labels and gawd only knows what other labels that could be dreamt up by clever marketers. The coin itself will suck and its design, as presented, will suck and there will be hundreds of "gold plated" knockoffs flooding the markets. If anything at all, the flippers will suck any value out of the coin by playing up the 50th Anniversary aspect of a blaise, at best, design modification, which, in and of itself, was first introduced for the BiCentennial Series.

Personally, I think the US Mint and the Treasury Department dropped the ball on this project which could have had some real meat. But as it sits, its a really bad idea.

MsMorrisine · February 15, 2014 6:03AM

I think it's time to fax the mint director again

I keep forgetting about all the other "design improvements" made to the Kennedy bust and reverse over the years. It's going to be .9999 gold, so I think they can use the higher relief and finer details on the 64 version than the spaghetti, hard-parted hair on the obverse and the squashed chicken legs on the reverse.

I seem to remember there were other complaints lately to include. Anyone have any to add?

certainly the gold plated knock offs will need to be mentioned as I'd think that's likely if these are minted with just the 2014 date. We'll see P & D plated knock offs like racketeer nickels were made.

OldEastside · February 15, 2014 6:10AM

<< 

<< That Clinton half dollar looks good in gold. >>

Other people think it looks like Clinton as well:

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Thats 4 nines

and is there an accented cigar variety ?

Steve

edix2001 · February 15, 2014 7:37AM

<< blaise >>

That's my brother's name.

19Lyds · February 15, 2014 8:00AM

<< 

<< blaise >>

That's my brother's name. >>

Oops. I mispelled bla·sé

FullStrike · February 15, 2014 9:43PM

They need to put a tribute to Marilyn on the reverse.

ChangeInHistory · February 15, 2014 10:04PM

I like the idea and the duel date design and hope they actually do it............and end the series afterwards.

BryceM · February 15, 2014 10:29PM

Will there be chocolate in the middle? If not, count me out.

tincup · February 15, 2014 10:37PM

I would like to see the Kennedy half come to an end... been around much too long.

As for the proposed Kennedy gold coin... I have no problem with it, and actually think it is kind of neat.

cmerlo1 · February 15, 2014 11:10PM

<< Reproducing an existing coin in another material is uninspired and honestly not worth the effort. Looks too much like one of those gold plated novelty coins the kids like so much. >>

Disagree. To me, what the mint is producing now is "uninspired and honestly not worth the effort. Looks too much like one of those gold plated novelty coins the kids like so much."

csdot · February 15, 2014 11:30PM

<< 

<< Reproducing an existing coin in another material is uninspired and honestly not worth the effort. Looks too much like one of those gold plated novelty coins the kids like so much. >>

Disagree. To me, what the mint is producing now is "uninspired and honestly not worth the effort. Looks too much like one of those gold plated novelty coins the kids like so much." >>

The Kennedy Half Dollar is a coin that the US Mint is producing now. If you believe what they are producing now is "uninspired and honestly not worth the effort," then how is making the exact same coin in gold any better?

Eagleguy · February 16, 2014 12:03AM

<< Do this and finish the series.

Put Lady Liberty on the next series at this denomination. >>

Amen!

JH

Weiss · February 16, 2014 12:28AM

Yep. Finish the series with a gold one. And don't do the double-date. This is a commemorative of a president who was assassinated. A double date looks like it's his b & d dates.

TwoSides2aCoin · February 16, 2014 12:49AM

<< Yep. Finish the series with a gold one. And don't do the double-date. This is a commemorative of a president who was assassinated. A double date looks like it's his b & d dates. >>

Finish with gold and offer two varieties. Double Dated and single dated. That will make the speculators go crazy.
Then follow up with a new design with the same size only make it workable, as a $2 coin, or a $5 coin. People's Choice. (clad, of course for 2015 and beyond)

Baley · February 16, 2014 12:57AM

If I tried to buy every product offered by the US mint (not to mention the world's mints annual output), or even very many of them

I'd have no funds, time, or space to buy, handle, and store all that stuff, and no funds to buy the rare old well-circulated coins that I love

I'm absolutely thrilled that stuff like this, and all other perfect bullion and base metal proofs, and grading fees and high prices for the top few percent of billions suck up the hobby money.

I shudder to imagine what a 200 year old US coin with a surviving population of a couple hundred in all grades, most of them very low
would cost if all that cash was chasing it instead of this crap

great coin tho!

ricko · February 16, 2014 1:03AM

Still no word on the reverse?? That could be quite important and influence sales. Unlikely though, since it will be something from the 'committee'.... So stupid to leave coin designs to committee's instead of artists... and ONE artist....wow... the U.S. might even get attractive coinage. Ya think?? Cheers, RickO

FullStrike · February 16, 2014 4:32PM

How much taxpayer money is spent on the brain trust that comes up with these terrific coining ideas? And how many officials are
tasked with this difficult job?

I wonder if they hold court in a fine DC Restaurant everyday? Sounds like a nice job for those that can get it.

Zoins · February 16, 2014 4:47PM

Here are some better photos. Also check out this super size photo. The super size one shows what modern dies can do.

joeykoins · February 16, 2014 6:22PM

I like the whole idea the Mint has finally decided to mint a tribute for the 50 year Ann. It's about time! Gold is nice but Silver is the essential choice of metal. Silver is what were accustomed to on the Kennedy half. Nice gesture for us Kennedy half lovers!

pf70collector · February 16, 2014 7:34PM

If we are commemorating assassinations- the 150th Anniversary of Lincoln's death is coming up in 2015. I would not mind seeing a Lincoln Gold Commemorative next year. I would not like the reverse proof version of the Kennedy. I think this novelty has been worn out by the mint. Though wouldn't mind a ultra high relief version.

keets · February 16, 2014 7:47PM

Reproducing an existing coin in another material is uninspired and honestly not worth the effort.

IMHO you are correct about the design being "uninspired" but since it will sell easily to the Numismatic-Lemmings it is well worth the effort, thus rendering any new design ideas a moot point. I will add that I am on board with the idea to end this NCLT issue.

PerryHall · February 16, 2014 8:20PM

<< 

<< Do this and finish the series.

Put Lady Liberty on the next series at this denomination. >>

Couldn't agree more with you ! >>

Totally agree. After 51 years, it's time for a change. I think Ronald Reagan would be a good replacement.

7Jaguars · February 16, 2014 9:15PM

I guess we have to keep this balanced. Let's put Jerry Brown on there after Reagan messes it up in a couple years....

PerryHall · February 16, 2014 9:34PM

<< They need to put a tribute to Marilyn on the reverse.

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Good idea. Put JFK's girlfriend on the reverse in that famous Playboy centerfold pose and you'll have a guaranteed sell-out.

ProofArtworkonCircs · February 17, 2014 12:20PM

What the illustrations show is not the original 1964 actual coin. It could well be the original galvano design.

Mrs. Kennedy was shown trial strikes and requested less hair part and more hair highlights. This was done on a 5 inch intermediate model. Both the accented hair and regular 1964's are post hair part change. The accented hair may be part of the more hair highlights, but I don't know. Perhaps the lock of hair on top of the tail of R was part of that change.
That change is in relief rather than incuse, so was done at a different stage.

The two differences from a 1964 coin, due to Mrs. Kennedy, I see in the illustration are:
1. A more pronounced hair part.
2. Hair overflowing the tail of R in LIBERTY.

GRANDAM · February 17, 2014 1:47PM

<< Reproducing an existing coin in another material is uninspired and honestly not worth the effort. Looks too much like one of those gold plated novelty coins the kids like so much. >>

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I think the GOLD BUFFALO'S turned out well.

GRANDAM

Zoins · February 17, 2014 1:56PM

<< I think the GOLD BUFFALO'S turned out well. >>

Those are nice coins.

.9999 JFK being considered by the U.S. Mint

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