Cheerios Dollar Obverse Die Characteristics?

CoinZealot · February 4, 2014 6:23AM

Is it possible this seller knows that this cheerios dollar isn't the rare tail feather dollar?

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blacksmoke · February 4, 2014 6:38AM

Love this:

I have provided the best pictures I can image for an honest representation of these coins

UUmmm...are the reverse of these coins out to lunch or something at picture time?

commoncents05 · February 4, 2014 6:39AM

<< Love this:

I have provided the best pictures I can image for an honest representation of these coins

UUmmm...are the reverse of these coins out to lunch or something at picture time? >>

Out to breakfast actually since it is sealed to the cardboard backing.

-Paul

ModCrewman · February 4, 2014 6:42AM

As I recall there are obverse die markers.

See the SmallDollars.com website for discussion of the obverse marker for the variety.

I can't tell with certainty from the photo...but it looks promising to have the correct obverse marker.

AUandAG · February 4, 2014 6:44AM

Sure looks like the right die to my eyes.
What are you seeing that I'm not? I think I see the die polishing lines below the P.
bob

blacksmoke · February 4, 2014 6:49AM

Duh. Didn't notice that.

ricko · February 4, 2014 6:50AM

Looks as if others see it too..... Cheers, RickO

fireman2030 · February 4, 2014 6:57AM

I posted a link to this listing in another thread. The seller definitely knew to add photos of where the die marker should be. However, based on how grainy the photos are, I think it is very hard to determine whether the die marker is present.

I re-examined both the Cheerios Dollars I have (one still in original packaging and one in PCGS holder). You really need to move the coin into the right light and angle to find that Ah-Hah assurance that the die polish is there. The marker is very subtle.

The only thing that is questionable to me is the cuts along the top and bottom edges of the packaging. The original General Mills packaging was perforated at the edges with an indentation in the middle. These edges seem straight cut.

Here are some pix of what I think the edge should look like:

Notice the perforation at the top edge and the cutout in the middle

This is how they look prior to being separated

CaptHenway · February 4, 2014 7:03AM

As I said in the other thread, I cannot tell from the pictures if those are the correct obverse die markers for the pattern die pair or not.

And I discovered the obverse die markers.

TD

fireman2030 · February 4, 2014 7:08AM

<< As I said in the other thread, I cannot tell from the pictures if those are the correct obverse die markers for the pattern die pair or not.

And I discovered the obverse die markers.

TD >>

Would you agree with me that you need to catch the marker in the right light for it to really "POP"??

keets · February 4, 2014 7:11AM

Tom, any estimate on how many non-pattern Dollars that were in the boxes??

MsMorrisine · February 4, 2014 7:16AM

If the seller sells coins and knows enough to post those photos, but doesn't know if that's it or not... Makes me worry along with the no return policy.

You'd have to be a coins on approval type to bid and SNAD if it's not it.

morgansforever · February 4, 2014 7:23AM

I sorta looks like the marker in one pic but not the other. If it's not the ETF, what's the estimated value for, say a 65? I always examine 2000P SAC's and will purchase them from the cashier if I see em in the till. I have no doubt that there are some ETF's floating around in AU but where?

CoinZealot · February 4, 2014 7:46AM

<< If the seller sells coins and knows enough to post those photos, but doesn't know if that's it or not... Makes me worry along with the no return policy.

You'd have to be a coins on approval type to bid and SNAD if it's not it. >>

Coinflip · February 4, 2014 7:46AM

Here's what I don't get...these were made early for the boxes right? They made them shipped them to cheerios then they changed the design right? SO who actually found one in the cheerios packing that wasn't it? Is is just speculation that they couldn't match up. The markers look there, the mint mark placement is there, how many IF any other dies were there ?

WoodenJefferson · February 4, 2014 8:12AM

Question, how do you know the two close-ups are of the same coin shown in the packaging?

CaptHenway · February 4, 2014 8:30AM

<< 

<< As I said in the other thread, I cannot tell from the pictures if those are the correct obverse die markers for the pattern die pair or not.

And I discovered the obverse die markers.

TD >>

Would you agree with me that you need to catch the marker in the right light for it to really "POP"?? >>

Yes.

CaptHenway · February 4, 2014 8:31AM

<< Tom, any estimate on how many non-pattern Dollars that were in the boxes?? >>

My very uncertain gut feeling is around 20%.

CaptHenway · February 4, 2014 8:38AM

<< Here's what I don't get...these were made early for the boxes right? They made them shipped them to cheerios then they changed the design right? SO who actually found one in the cheerios packing that wasn't it? Is is just speculation that they couldn't match up. The markers look there, the mint mark placement is there, how many IF any other dies were there ? >>

I own a non-pattern Cheerios dollar certified as such by one of the TPG's, that I bought as a novelty from the seller who had submitted it and came up unlucky.

FWIW, the coin appears very ordinary and struck from a well-used die. My suspicion is that the Mint sent General Mills 5,500 pieces from the pattern dies for the promotion (after all, General Mills did know well in advance how many pieces they would need), and that for whatever reason (perhaps spotting, which was a big problem on the early Sacagaweas?) GM rejected "x" number of coins and requested replacements, which were fulfilled from normal production runs.

Can't prove any of that. However, if it did happen that way, what happened to the rejects? Deposited at GM's local bank? Returned to the Mint and melted? Who knows?

TD

Coinflip · February 4, 2014 8:54AM

sounds odd and unfortunate, how many cases do we know like this? Could have been so simple as a dishonest grader swapping it out

Thanks for sharing your experiences

keets · February 8, 2014 9:20AM

auction ends tomorrow.

Cheerios Dollar Obverse Die Characteristics?

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