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Here is a cool bust Dime "Whats going on here?"New PICS many pics so look but be aware of

This is not listed in Cherrypickers. Is this a known overdate or is it nothing?

The reverse also shows a second legend under STATES

And yes I see the scratch image


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RACC
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  • I am not versed in this series but that is very neat.
  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,649 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks cool but do you have a better shot of the date? Stone should be along shortly...along with a few others that know the series well.
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  • I can try to get a closer picture. This is a large date I believe.

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    RACC
    I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then question the manner in which I provide it. I prefer you said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand to post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!
  • numismanumisma Posts: 3,877 ✭✭✭✭
    Looks double struck to me. Not a variety, but a mint error, if it is genuine. Could you please post higher resolution photos?
  • GoBustGoBust Posts: 605 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It looks to be double struck on the obverse with the numbers 1 and 8 above and to the left of the date offset by 5 mm or so. Cool piece despite the poor condition. cannot not make out enough detail on the reverse to comment.
  • USMoneyloverUSMoneylover Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭
    It looks like a JR-5 and appears to be double struck. Some higher res images would be great.
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,777 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Possibly a false die double strike.
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  • USMoneyloverUSMoneylover Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Possibly a false die double strike. >>



    Possible...that 8 looks pretty good compared to the original though...

    Edit to add:

    I've seen a few trade dollars that were not graded because of being double struck with counterfeit dies...Is there a way to tell that you could explain here?
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  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275
    It is a JR-5 as previously mentioned - and it isn't a counterfeit Realone, COME ON!

    This could very well be a double struck piece as has also previously been mentioned.

    Nevertheless, better pics are a must, but overall I'm intrigued image
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  • USMoneyloverUSMoneylover Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭


    << <i>IMHO the "I" in PLURIBUS appears centered in relation to the "T" in the photo provided where as in the EUSD the "I" is to the left of the "T". What can I say that is what I see when looking at the photo presented. If I am wrong I will take my punishment whatever that may be.image
    Either way it is a cool dime. >>



    Tilt your head to the left and look at the first set of pictures the OP provided.
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  • Billet7Billet7 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭
    Looks cool, need better pics.
  • ebaybuyerebaybuyer Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭
    suspicious that the only feature seen doubled is the 18, no doubled stars, no profile doubling just the 18 and that "flattening" from the 4:00 to 7:00
    regardless of how many posts I have, I don't consider myself an "expert" at anything
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,736 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am suspicious of this piece. If it were a true double strike, I don't think that it would be perfectly round. These coins were struck in close collar, and if the first strike were off-center as it appears to be with the ghost date, the coin should have been deformed.

    It needs to be certified.
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,736 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>suspicious that the only feature seen doubled is the 18, no doubled stars, no profile doubling just the 18 and that "flattening" from the 4:00 to 7:00 >>



    I have a number of double struck bust dimes and all are d/s in multiple places the only question is if you can see it due to its grade. This being so far off one would think you would see elements of the double strike in the fields and on the bust but we don't see it. I do however see multiple areas of damage. >>



    The ghost date is northwest of the regular date. This would indicate that the coin was not in the collar when it was struck. If the ghost date were in the same circular arc as the regular date I could see this as a legitimate double strike with the piece perfectly round, but it isn't.
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  • Hello everyone

    I wanted to add some better pics of the Obverse and the reverse.

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    Thanks
    RACC
    I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then question the manner in which I provide it. I prefer you said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand to post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!
  • numismanumisma Posts: 3,877 ✭✭✭✭
    This is an interesting piece, although I am leaning towards the camp that says it is not a genuine double strike. Some good points have been made. I don't like that the shift (uni-directional) on STATES on the reverse does not jive with the shift on the date (bi-directional NW shift). The flattening on the obverse rim is suspicious as well.

    Actually, after looking more closely, I am certain that it is not a genuine error. The date has been flattened. It is a JR-5, but the orientation and shape has been distorted. My guess is that this is a manufactured double strike, and the end result is just a damaged Bust dime. The key giveaway is the flattened "1" in 1835.

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