Im even tempted on this one -- guess the final bid

Tallpaul000 · December 1, 2013 12:19PM

ebay link

If I felt like a lucky b**stard, I might go 2k.

Just closed at $5K, wow!!

BryceM · December 1, 2013 12:27PM

Curious how there is always mention of an "estate" and a toned & "CC" coin showing, isn't it?

If you were liquidating an "estate" would you do it over a period of "several months"?

MsMorrisine · December 1, 2013 12:33PM

AT one end, blast white the other
Pre-printed date on the roll

Pass

blu62vette · December 1, 2013 12:45PM

There are several threads about these fake rolls. You can buy the paper wrap and make your own.

Sonorandesertrat · December 1, 2013 12:47PM

<< AT one end, blast white the other
Pre-printed date on the roll

Pass >>

This. Run away, and don't look back.

MGLICKER · December 1, 2013 1:13PM

Surprised they don't make a cone shaped roll with a CC Morgan on one end and a VDB Cent on the other.

crump41 · December 1, 2013 1:19PM

I have seen the results of these rolls once opened - they were not pretty. A few BU common dates, a few badly AT coins and some fillers.

Kyle · December 1, 2013 1:25PM

<< Surprised they don't make a cone shaped roll with a CC Morgan on one end and a VDB Cent on the other. >>

Coppertop1982 · December 1, 2013 1:36PM

Coppertop1982 · December 1, 2013 1:39PM

I used to laugh (and at the same time cringe) when I saw a variety guy selling BU rolls like this, NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER ,yet people bought them up like candy. Slip a good few good rolls into the mix and people give you more credibility! Dealers like this give the coin world a bad taste

astrorat · December 1, 2013 1:54PM

<< ebay link

If I felt like a lucky b**stard, I might go 2k. >>

Surely you're being sarcastic. Yeah, I know, don't call you Shirley.

rmpsrpms · December 1, 2013 2:41PM

That is a machine-crimped roll. Machines to crimp rolls like that were not invented until around 1913.

blacksmoke · December 1, 2013 2:47PM

The guy also sells Raiders tickets. That should be the big red flag.

rmpsrpms · December 1, 2013 2:52PM

Wow, I did a quick check of Bullion and Exchange Bank, Carson City NV and there is quite a lot of interesting Nevada history to be found associated with this bank. Usually I check to see if the bank even existed (or at least when a roll was supposedly put together) but this bank has "history" written all over it. The bank had a branch INSIDE the mint at one point!! Even though the roll is completely bogus, the knowledge gained by researching the bank is priceless...Ray

rec78 · December 1, 2013 5:04PM

I guess $6255. Someone will be sucked in.

Justlooking · December 1, 2013 7:01PM

The AT coin looks like classic bag AT rather than EOR AT.

Kind of a disappointing effort.

ricko · December 1, 2013 11:28PM

This has been going on for years.... over and over again.... someone always gets suckered... Cheers, RickO

TireKicker · December 1, 2013 11:31PM

Uh oh, here we go again.....

robertpr · December 2, 2013 1:25AM

<< That is a machine-crimped roll. Machines to crimp rolls like that were not invented until around 1913. >>

This. There aren't any real OBW rolls of Morgans because banks didn't roll them! They were stored and transported in bags.

MGLICKER · December 2, 2013 1:28AM

<< 

<< That is a machine-crimped roll. Machines to crimp rolls like that were not invented until around 1913. >>

This. There aren't any real OBW rolls of Morgans because banks didn't roll them! They were stored and transported in bags. >>

...and wooden barrels.

coinsarefun · December 2, 2013 2:08AM

Judging from the image, whoever buys this will be under water

UtahCoin · December 2, 2013 2:19AM

100% positive feedback. Very gullible buyers.

johnny9434 · December 2, 2013 5:48AM

<< Surprised they don't make a cone shaped roll with a CC Morgan on one end and a VDB Cent on the other. >>

give it time

Ulichen · December 2, 2013 6:05AM

Here is the trick.
They have the coins listed as UNC
I won one a few years back....cracked it open...all CIRC/cleaned....and ebay/paypal refunded my purchase since the coins were not UNC.

Two can play the game if any of you want to .....

...not that I recommend this....but you could crack it open...and send ebay pictures of cull dollars from your home collection....and they will refund your purchase, since in theory the seller claimed UNC coins...but has no way to argue that the culls were not inside the roll since it's been "wrapped since the 1800's"...

----end of how-to-get-even with scammers----

Tallpaul000 · December 8, 2013 12:04PM

just to follow up

blacksmoke · December 8, 2013 12:16PM

I'd like to see the feedback on this purchase!

golden · December 8, 2013 2:48PM

The buyer may not even know he got ripped off until years from now when he tries to sell it to a B & M dealer. At that point he will say the B & M dealer is trying to rip him off.

MsMorrisine · December 8, 2013 3:39PM

compare OP printing to this one

19Lyds · December 8, 2013 5:32PM

<< Judging from the image, whoever buys this will be under water

>>

Huh?

Pre-Printed Date of 1896 with an 1884 Coin on one end?

GrumpyEd · December 8, 2013 6:23PM

These deals always have the rare coin on the end.
It's always the CC for dollar rolls or 1909-S or VDB reverse on cents.

droopyd · December 8, 2013 6:50PM

<< The guy also sells Raiders tickets. That should be the big red flag.

>>

At least he's not selling Redskins tickets. (Or for the more politically correct, [Redacteds] tickets.)

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rmpsrpms · December 8, 2013 10:17PM

<< compare OP printing to this one >>

Since both are fake, it's hard to imagine what the right font would be for these. Clearly whoever created the roll tubes thought that an "Olde English" font would make the rolls look more authentic. I remember seeing a similar roll that actually had mixed fonts...an Olde English style for the bank name, followed by a 1980's style modern font for the city and state. A lot of these roll countereiters are real bozos.

My presumption is that any genuine rolls of Dollars you might run across would be hand-wrapped in heavy kraft-style paper, with the ends neatly hand-folded and wax-sealed, and the count and denomination handwritten on the outside. They also may have the teller signature on them. They were uncommon enough that it's highly unlikely in my view that the bank would go to the trouble of having a printer put the bank/city/state name on the outside! That was a much later practice. In fact I have only ever seen rolls from the 1930's onward that had a standardized format for bank/city/state nomenclature. Pre-Depression then the banks were not as well regulated and it doesn't seem that there was any standard for marking of rolls. I presume (yet again) that this format, which is a standard that all banks seem to follow from the 30's onward, came out of some regulation put in place after the banking collapses of the Depression. That might be an interesting research topic.

TPRC · December 8, 2013 10:46PM

I agree with all of the comments. But how do you explain the 100% positive feedback? Just curious as I would not touch this with a 10 foot pole.

pocketpiececommems · December 8, 2013 11:19PM

How many estate sales has this seller run over the years? This is when it would be nice to have the old ebay were the buyers/bidders ID is not hidden and you could contact them or warn them.

rmpsrpms · December 8, 2013 11:20PM

<< I agree with all of the comments. But how do you explain the 100% positive feedback? Just curious as I would not touch this with a 10 foot pole. >>

A member of my coin club buys these things. The rolls I've seen her buy always have something interesting in them, and there is a predictable correlation between the value of the coins in the roll and the final selling price. After seeing the results of a bunch of these (not Dollars, but Cent rolls with odd things on the end) with a big range of final selling prices, my conclusion was that the sellers build the rolls based on the final selling price, and target a value of around 50% of the high bid. This keeps her very happy, and I've never heard her complain once! I've heard the horror stories some have told of low-grade coins being found in the rolls, but I think that's a thing of the past and these sellers have learned to make a thriving business out of this game by at least giving a reasonable value to keep their feedback scores high.

TPRC · December 9, 2013 7:38AM

<< 

<< I agree with all of the comments. But how do you explain the 100% positive feedback? Just curious as I would not touch this with a 10 foot pole. >>

A member of my coin club buys these things. The rolls I've seen her buy always have something interesting in them, and there is a predictable correlation between the value of the coins in the roll and the final selling price. After seeing the results of a bunch of these (not Dollars, but Cent rolls with odd things on the end) with a big range of final selling prices, my conclusion was that the sellers build the rolls based on the final selling price, and target a value of around 50% of the high bid. This keeps her very happy, and I've never heard her complain once! I've heard the horror stories some have told of low-grade coins being found in the rolls, but I think that's a thing of the past and these sellers have learned to make a thriving business out of this game by at least giving a reasonable value to keep their feedback scores high. >>

Makes sense and very clever. If only such ingenuity could be used for a goodly purpose.

Im even tempted on this one -- guess the final bid

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