2017 World Fair of Money to be in Denver

ModCrewman · October 22, 2013 4:40AM

I'm listening to the broadcast of the board meeting while sitting here in the office. The first interesting agenda item was an approval of Denver, CO as the sight of the 2017 ANA World's Fair of Money.

Thoughts?

Coinosaurus · October 22, 2013 4:43AM

2013-2015 is in Chicago.

What about 2016?

ThePennyLady · October 22, 2013 4:47AM

Anaheim is 2016

Dentuck · October 22, 2013 4:56AM

Looking forward to it!

MsMorrisine · October 22, 2013 4:57AM

how winded will RYK be on his morning runs??? Inquiring minds want to know!

messydesk · October 22, 2013 6:04AM

<< how winded will RYK be on his morning runs??? Inquiring minds want to know! >>

Depends on how much hot sauce was on his burrito the night before.

NebuchadnezzarTheGreat · October 22, 2013 6:07AM

That's creative... (not really, we just had a Spring one there)...

Could be worse though as we could be in Milwaukee.

WTCG · October 22, 2013 7:35AM

I don't like the choice but it could be worse. We could be spending a week in Omaha or Indianapolis.

If I'm not mistaken the 2006 WFM in Denver was the worst attended WFM in this century.

MsMorrisine · October 22, 2013 7:59AM

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<< how winded will RYK be on his morning runs??? Inquiring minds want to know! >>

Depends on how much hot sauce was on his burrito the night before. >>

I realized later I should not have been glib. It was quite poor form of me as one of my ideas for sprucing up attendance was to go to Denver so they could have ANA museum items on display.

I hope they take that idea and do it.

They could also have 2 classes of dealer displays. I notice on Charmy's feedback forms from her entry a line item that suggested to me that the displays should be tailored to the numismatic knowledgable. My additional suggestion is to have a class of displays tailored for the complete other end -- the non-numismatic people. Have displays that reach and are immediately accessible to someone who only knows money as a purchasing medium.

joebb21 · October 22, 2013 8:23AM

Do me a favor and remind me in 4 years

EagleEye · October 22, 2013 8:29AM

Watching the ANA Board meeting, it was interesting to note that there was no comment at all about the choice. Perhaps it was already discussed in emails.

messydesk · October 22, 2013 9:57AM

If I recall (I'm not going to watch it again), it was discussed in other pre-meetings, and there was an abstention from someone who missed them.

Coinosaurus · October 22, 2013 10:18AM

RYK runs seven minute miles in disgusting St. Louis humidity. I don't think the Colorado altitude will be much of a problem

Mark · October 22, 2013 10:23AM

messydesk:

What you say is correct. I recall thinking that the interesting material/discussion was still being concealed from members. Only the final, pre-ordained votes were public.

golden · October 22, 2013 10:53AM

Denver was great in 2006. I am glad that we are not going to Chicago (Rosemont ) like we will for 4 out of 5 years.

7over8 · October 22, 2013 11:50AM

The ANA will never learn.

NYC IS the location for the show. It should return there every 3 years minimum.

You will never draw a bigger crowd anywhere.

golden · October 22, 2013 1:00PM

There is no place in NYC that is cost effective where the ANA can hold a show. When the ANA was held there in 1997 and 2002 it was on two floors of a hotel. This meant less dealers because of the space limitations which resulted in higher table fees for the dealers that were there.

RYK · October 22, 2013 1:20PM

<< how winded will RYK be on his morning runs??? Inquiring minds want to know! >>

I ran between 7:15 and 7:30 min miles in Vail this past summer, four days in a row. At the lower Denver altitudes and with a straighter, less hilly course, I should be able to hit 7 mins, give or take a few seconds, grab a cup of joe, and be on the bourse jockeying for dirty gold by 9:00 AM. Count me in! I love Colorado.

halfhunter · October 22, 2013 1:46PM

Needs to come east . . .

HH

nencoin · October 23, 2013 4:34AM

<< I'm listening to the broadcast of the board meeting while sitting here in the office. The first interesting agenda item was an approval of Denver, CO as the sight of the 2017 ANA World's Fair of Money.

Thoughts? >>

I like it very much.

GregL · October 23, 2013 5:52AM

<< The ANA will never learn.

NYC IS the location for the show. It should return there every 3 years minimum.

You will never draw a bigger crowd anywhere. >>

Unfortunately, the ANA World's Fair of Money is considered to be too small of an event for the Javits Center to be interested in hosting it. The only other alternative is to try to hold it at a hotel, spread across multiple rooms and, possibly, floors - as we require approximately 200,000 square feet. That is not desirable by dealers, staff or attendees.

Greg

GregL · October 23, 2013 5:58AM

<< I don't like the choice but it could be worse. We could be spending a week in Omaha or Indianapolis. >>

Denver was one of five cities considered for 2017. Three other cities considered have (or will) host an ANA show within several years - Atlanta, Philadelphia and Rosemont. Baltimore - the final choice was discounted due to the extremely high convention center costs (about 1/3rd higher than the other cities).

Greg

WTCG · October 23, 2013 6:31AM

<< 

<< I don't like the choice but it could be worse. We could be spending a week in Omaha or Indianapolis. >>

Denver was one of five cities considered for 2017. Three other cities considered have (or will) host an ANA show within several years - Atlanta, Philadelphia and Rosemont. Baltimore - the final choice was discounted due to the extremely high convention center costs (about 1/3rd higher than the other cities).

Greg >>

Why does Atlanta keep popping up in the discussions? It's a proven fact that coin shows in Atlanta, regardless of whom organizes the shows, are always disappointing. I realize that the 2016 show will be in Anaheim but why weren't other West Coast cities considered for 2017?

RYK · October 23, 2013 6:46AM

I realize that the 2016 show will be in Anaheim but why weren't other West Coast cities considered for 2017?

Perhaps you answered your own question.

GregL · October 23, 2013 6:49AM

<< Why does Atlanta keep popping up in the discussions? It's a proven fact that coin shows in Atlanta, regardless of whom organizes the shows, are always disappointing. I realize that the 2016 show will be in Anaheim but why weren't other West Coast cities considered for 2017? >>

Atlanta is always considered because it meets two of the top criteria: 1) It's in a state without sales tax on numismatic items and 2) It is reachable non-stop from just about any city on a mainline (non-regional jet) aircraft.

Based on input from dealers and auction houses, just about any state with taxes on numismatic purchases is a non-starter. This eliminates 21 states right off the bat. Shows in California are difficult due to Nexus rules -- we had a lot of conversations before choosing Anaheim in 2017. Looking at locations which are out of the way (Alaska) or too small to hold a WFoM (New Hampshire), that leaves the following states as options:

Arizona
Colorado
Florida
Georgia
Illinois
Louisiana
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Missouri
New York
Pennsylvania
Texas
Utah
Washington

The next problem is that we are too small for many convention centers to be interested. On the West Coast alone, that eliminates San Francisco and Seattle. The 2015 National Money Show will be in Portland. Where else is there to even consider on the West Coast?

Greg

MsMorrisine · October 23, 2013 7:20AM

San Diego?

I didn't know Louisiana was on the list.

What's the intel on New Orleans?

GregL · October 23, 2013 7:24AM

<< What's the intel on New Orleans? >>

We were just there in May for the NMS.

Greg

2ndCharter · October 23, 2013 7:42AM

NYC IS the location for the show. It should return there every 3 years minimum.

As an ex-New Yorker, I would love to see another ANA show in New York City but, as Greg and others have pointed out, there are numerous problems with finding a proper location.

Since the poster is so vehement in his opinion, I am anxious to hear his response as to how to address the issues that have been raised about locating the ANA show in NYC.

messydesk · October 23, 2013 7:57AM

Has there ever been a thread about ANA show locations that wasn't mostly people griping about ANA show locations?

CoinRaritiesOnline · October 23, 2013 8:06AM

<< Has there ever been a thread about ANA show locations that wasn't mostly people griping about ANA show locations? >>

No, I do not believe so. Though the griping is usually mixed in with adamant suggestions from people to choose cities / venues that are poor choices for a variety of reasons.

For me, Denver is fine.

WTCG · October 23, 2013 8:36AM

<< Has there ever been a thread about ANA show locations that wasn't mostly people griping about ANA show locations? >>

Not really but some places draw more heat than others.

As for Atlanta, it would be great if the show was held somewhere in the city center or Buckhead instead of out in the Northwest boonies.

GregL · October 23, 2013 8:43AM

<< As for Atlanta, it would be great if the show was held somewhere in the city center or Buckhead instead of out in the Northwest boonies. >>

If / when there is another WFoM in Atlanta, it would be at the Georgia World Congress Center. I suspect the NMS is too small for the GWCC.

Greg

coinbuf · October 23, 2013 8:47AM

<< 

<< Why does Atlanta keep popping up in the discussions? It's a proven fact that coin shows in Atlanta, regardless of whom organizes the shows, are always disappointing. I realize that the 2016 show will be in Anaheim but why weren't other West Coast cities considered for 2017? >>

Atlanta is always considered because it meets two of the top criteria: 1) It's in a state without sales tax on numismatic items and 2) It is reachable non-stop from just about any city on a mainline (non-regional jet) aircraft.

Based on input from dealers and auction houses, just about any state with taxes on numismatic purchases is a non-starter. This eliminates 21 states right off the bat. Shows in California are difficult due to Nexus rules -- we had a lot of conversations before choosing Anaheim in 2017. Looking at locations which are out of the way (Alaska) or too small to hold a WFoM (New Hampshire), that leaves the following states as options:

Arizona
Colorado
Florida
Georgia
Illinois
Louisiana
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Missouri
New York
Pennsylvania
Texas
Utah
Washington

The next problem is that we are too small for many convention centers to be interested. On the West Coast alone, that eliminates San Francisco and Seattle. The 2015 National Money Show will be in Portland. Where else is there to even consider on the West Coast?

Greg >>

Just wondering why; as it is on your list; not AZ/Phx? Issues with the Convention Center or other considerations like attendance concerns?

GregL · October 23, 2013 8:50AM

<< Just wondering why; as it is on your list; not AZ/Phx? Issues with the Convention Center or other considerations like attendance concerns? >>

The two main concerns are: 1) The WFoM is in August... do you want to be in Phoenix in August? 2) Past conventions in Arizona have drawn VERY poor attendance.

Greg

coinbuf · October 23, 2013 8:53AM

Well I have lived in Phx for like twenty yrs so the heat is not a problem for me, but I do understand that concern. And I figured that attendance was a concern, thanks for the quick reply.

amwldcoin · October 23, 2013 8:58AM

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<< I don't like the choice but it could be worse. We could be spending a week in Omaha or Indianapolis. >>

Denver was one of five cities considered for 2017. Three other cities considered have (or will) host an ANA show within several years - Atlanta, Philadelphia and Rosemont. Baltimore - the final choice was discounted due to the extremely high convention center costs (about 1/3rd higher than the other cities).

Greg >>

Why does Atlanta keep popping up in the discussions? It's a proven fact that coin shows in Atlanta, regardless of whom organizes the shows, are always disappointing. I realize that the 2016 show will be in Anaheim but why weren't other West Coast cities considered for 2017? >>

I don't know what your beef is with Atlanta...but everytime the ANA and Whitman had shows there I did Great!

amwldcoin · October 23, 2013 9:05AM

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<< As for Atlanta, it would be great if the show was held somewhere in the city center or Buckhead instead of out in the Northwest boonies. >>

If / when there is another WFoM in Atlanta, it would be at the Georgia World Congress Center. I suspect the NMS is too small for the GWCC.

Greg >>

I have to laugh that WTCG thinks the Galleria is the Boonies of Atlanta! It is just as convenient as any other location in Atlanta! It is definately a much better area than the Ga WCC and people with money who are worried about crime are much more likely to go to the Galleria!

mrpotatoheadd · October 23, 2013 12:19PM

<< Well I have lived in Phx for like twenty yrs so the heat is not a problem for me, but I do understand that concern. >>

There's definitely a reason why so many people come to stay in Phoenix (or AZ in general) in the fall and leave for home in the spring.

WTCG · October 23, 2013 12:38PM

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<< As for Atlanta, it would be great if the show was held somewhere in the city center or Buckhead instead of out in the Northwest boonies. >>

If / when there is another WFoM in Atlanta, it would be at the Georgia World Congress Center. I suspect the NMS is too small for the GWCC.

Greg >>

I have to laugh that WTCG thinks the Galleria is the Boonies of Atlanta! It is just as convenient as any other location in Atlanta! It is definately a much better area than the Ga WCC and people with money who are worried about crime are much more likely to go to the Galleria! >>

Because the Cobb Galleria is the boonies of Atlanta. It might technically be in the city but it's in the middle of nowhere surrounded by nothing of significance other than a mid grade mall, a few hotels and a collection of fast food joints that line Cobb Parkway. The area is not well served by transit, pedestrian traffic is nonexistent and the area is generally deserted after sunset. Actually I feel safter walking around the GWCC/ Olympic Park area than I do around the Cobb. At least there are other people around after dark in downtown Atlanta.

amwldcoin · October 23, 2013 12:44PM

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<< As for Atlanta, it would be great if the show was held somewhere in the city center or Buckhead instead of out in the Northwest boonies. >>

If / when there is another WFoM in Atlanta, it would be at the Georgia World Congress Center. I suspect the NMS is too small for the GWCC.

Greg >>

I have to laugh that WTCG thinks the Galleria is the Boonies of Atlanta! It is just as convenient as any other location in Atlanta! It is definately a much better area than the Ga WCC and people with money who are worried about crime are much more likely to go to the Galleria! >>

Because the Cobb Galleria is the boonies of Atlanta. It might technically be in the city but it's in the middle of nowhere surrounded by nothing of significance other than a mid grade mall, a few hotels and a collection of fast food joints that line Cobb Parkway. The area is not well served by transit, pedestrian traffic is nonexistent and the area is generally deserted after sunset. Actually I feel safter walking around the GWCC/ Olympic Park area than I do around the Cobb. At least there are other people around after dark in downtown Atlanta. >>

LOL...Well you live on the West Coast. Most of the people I know avoid the hood after dark!

I live here and gaurantee you what I say is true. There are plenty of good restaurants close and if you insist on Downtown it's only 20 minutes away!

Coinosaurus · October 23, 2013 12:48PM

Meh. Wherever it is I will get a plane ticket & and a hotel reservation, and a few years later not be able to recall much anything about it, except maybe what coins I bought, and whether or not there was a good steak place.

Nysoto · October 23, 2013 1:39PM

I was at the Seattle ANA Convention in 1990, it was very crowded and I had a great time. Seattle has grown considerably since 1990, it would be a good place for the ANA to come back again.

GregL · October 23, 2013 1:42PM

<< I was at the Seattle ANA Convention in 1990, it was very crowded and I had a great time. Seattle has grown considerably since 1990, it would be a good place for the ANA to come back again. >>

The Seattle Convention Center no longer thinks the summer convention is large enough for them to be interested.

Greg

Kove · October 23, 2013 1:50PM

Denver's good.

Nysoto · October 23, 2013 1:59PM

<< TextThe Seattle Convention Center no longer thinks the summer convention is large enough for them to be interested. >>

Who made that statement? There are many organizations much smaller than the ANA holding conventions at the Seattle Convention Center.

GregL · October 23, 2013 2:12PM

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<< TextThe Seattle Convention Center no longer thinks the summer convention is large enough for them to be interested. >>

Who made that statement? There are many organizations much smaller than the ANA holding conventions at the Seattle Convention Center. >>

When ANA has requested bids from the Seattle Convention Center, that is the response they have provided to the ANA.

It is possible that there are smaller conventions which they host, but realize the ANA convention has a very low demand for hotel rooms and convention center food & beverage -- which are key profit centers for convention centers -- compared to the square footage (200,000+) which the ANA needs for a Worlds Fair of Money. There may be smaller shows that they host, but those shows likely have higher demand for the high-profit items the ANA does not use.

Greg

messydesk · October 23, 2013 3:24PM

<< I have to laugh that WTCG thinks the Galleria is the Boonies of Atlanta! It is just as convenient as any other location in Atlanta! >>

Not if you're taking a cab from the airport.

WTCG · October 23, 2013 3:45PM

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<< I have to laugh that WTCG thinks the Galleria is the Boonies of Atlanta! It is just as convenient as any other location in Atlanta! >>

Not if you're taking a cab from the airport. >>

No joke...when the 2001 ANA WFM in Atlanta started, one then employee of Collectors Universe took a taxicab from the airport to the Cobb Galleria. Not knowing how far away the place was, when she found herself in the cab after almost an hour of driving she thought she was being abducted.

amwldcoin · October 23, 2013 8:37PM

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<< I have to laugh that WTCG thinks the Galleria is the Boonies of Atlanta! It is just as convenient as any other location in Atlanta! >>

Not if you're taking a cab from the airport. >>

No joke...when the 2001 ANA WFM in Atlanta started, one then employee of Collectors Universe took a taxicab from the airport to the Cobb Galleria. Not knowing how far away the place was, when she found herself in the cab after almost an hour of driving she thought she was being abducted. >>

LOL,Sounds like they were either stuck in traffic or the cab driver screwed her.Probably took her the other way around the perimeter(3 times the distance). It should be about 30 minutes give or take. The airport does happen to be closer to the WCC but is very close to the same distance from Downtown. The area around the WCC is not an area I like to walk around in...day or night!

NebuchadnezzarTheGreat · October 24, 2013 2:00AM

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<< As for Atlanta, it would be great if the show was held somewhere in the city center or Buckhead instead of out in the Northwest boonies. >>

If / when there is another WFoM in Atlanta, it would be at the Georgia World Congress Center. I suspect the NMS is too small for the GWCC.

Greg >>

I love Atlanta. However, that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. That is a terrible area, especially for a coin show.
How about the International Convention Center that is attached to the airport? Numerous hotels and restaurants and if you don't want to drive, you don't have to.

The GWCC is right next to the soon to be torn down Georgia Dome and the crime in that area is awful if you ask any locals.

GregL · October 24, 2013 2:48AM

<< 
I love Atlanta. However, that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. That is a terrible area, especially for a coin show.
How about the International Convention Center that is attached to the airport? Numerous hotels and restaurants and if you don't want to drive, you don't have to.
>>

I just looked at their website... their total exhibit hall space is 151,000 square feet. The ANA needs over 200,000 square feet for the World's Fair of Money.

Greg

2017 World Fair of Money to be in Denver

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