PCGS wouldn't grade this (update)

nencoin · October 3, 2013 2:24AM

It's clearly an HK-916 and was designated as such on the submission form when we sent it in with a bunch of other So-Calleds (all of which they graded). We called PCGS and were told that they don't slab all medals and didn't have enough information on this one. I'm not sure I understand that, but apparently they do not slab all the coins in the HK book. Not a rant, really...they didn't charge us and I'll just send it off to NGC to get it in a holder. More of an FYI for you So-Called submitters.

UPDATE: As I mentioned below, PCGS called us and asked us to return the medal to them so that they could look at it again. And now it's in a holder. WTG, PCGS!

AUandAG · October 3, 2013 2:26AM

When was that made? Looks like yesterday. Has the copyright symbol?

bob

Placid · October 3, 2013 2:29AM

1951

Broadstruck · October 3, 2013 2:33AM

HK-916 GOD AND FREEDOM MEDAL ( UNDATED) Silver, Plain Edge, 34mm, R-3. Conceived by Dr. Frederick A. Barnhill while serving as chaplain in U.S. Armed Forces. In 1951, when Dr. Barnhill was pastor of First Congregational Church in Phoenix, AZ as the Men’s Club sponsored his idea and issued the medal. Original design by George Christie and final drawings by artist William Van Baker.

nencoin · October 3, 2013 2:36AM

A slabbed one.

I think these are scarcer than the HK book suggests.

WillieBoyd2 · October 3, 2013 4:03AM

I didn't know that PCGS graded medals or tokens.

coinsarefun · October 3, 2013 4:28AM

I don't see why not, but since SCD's arerealativly new for them, maybe you should send a link to them?

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nencoin · October 3, 2013 4:50AM

<< I don't see why not, but since SCD's arerealativly new for them, maybe you should send a link to them? >>

We actually gave them the PCGS coin number when we called (643752). But that was their answer. Oh, well.

Edited to add that PCGS did not say "Oh, well." That's my response.

TwoSides2aCoin · October 3, 2013 5:14AM

Lending credence to the fact that learning is paramount and costly and I learned something new. I should use NGC more often than not.
No offense to the powers that be. ShareHolder has way more than one meaning.

nencoin · October 3, 2013 5:24AM

<< 

<< A slabbed one.

I think these are scarcer than the HK book suggests. >>

What is your proof of it being scarcer? >>

I see these much less frequently than I do other So-Calleds with higher rarity ratings.

nencoin · October 3, 2013 6:41AM

Someone at PCGS must have noticed this thread, as they just contacted me and asked for me to return the coin to them for a second look. Kudos to PCGS!

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CoinRaritiesOnline · October 3, 2013 7:38AM

<< The only coin they couldn't/wouldn't grade was a Connecticut copper, lots of env. damage, but details were good enough, or bad enough to see what it was. I really don't blame them with all the varieties they get to either not know or decide not to run something through grading. >>

If it is too far gone to be identifiable as a specific PCGS coin #, it can't be slabbed.

crypto79 · October 3, 2013 10:08AM

To be honest I think that is a cast reproduction and not an original.

nencoin · October 24, 2013 6:15AM

Update at the top.

Placid · October 24, 2013 6:17AM

Squeaky wheel

ricko · October 24, 2013 6:19AM

First one of those I have seen.. glad you got it slabbed... any history on that piece?? Cheers, RickO

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD · October 24, 2013 6:21AM

<< To be honest I think that is a cast reproduction and not an original. >>

at least you were being honest

Nice Medal and glad it worked out in your favor!

Erik

ModCrewman · October 24, 2013 6:22AM

Looks like a new top-pop Pop 1 to me.

CoinRaritiesOnline · October 24, 2013 6:29AM

I have never seen one of those before in my life (except here in this thread).

nags · October 24, 2013 6:38AM

Question re: grading - Isn't it nearly impossible to assign a grade to something like this when you don't know squat about the coin?

nencoin · October 24, 2013 6:42AM

<< First one of those I have seen.. glad you got it slabbed... any history on that piece?? Cheers, RickO >>

This is from the Hibler-Kappen book. If I'm breaking any copyright laws by posting this, someone let me know!

TireKicker · October 24, 2013 6:48AM

This forum is great, I can't believe the amount of information you can get on these boards.

keets · October 24, 2013 7:16AM

the fact that PCGS is "new" to grading SC$'s is a cop-out..................anyone here with a copy of either the first or second editions of the Bible could have authenticated this. heck, they have a reference library and grading experts, right??? the fact that they did the right thing and holdered it is good news but the fact that they at first erred in such a bad way is distressing and shouldn't be a shout of confidence to collectors.

a note to the OP and any others who are concerned-----I have found it helpful in the past with NGC to send along any pertinent information which may help them attribute some more esoteric submissions. this doesn't fall into that category, but if PCGS is indeed "stepping out" into areas where they are this uncertain my suggestion may be worthy of consideration.

an aside to nags: Isn't it nearly impossible to assign a grade to something like this when you don't know squat about the coin? you pose a very good question that I have commented on before. some of these SC$'s have struck numbers well under 50 and the graders/services are hard pressed to see multiple examples to know strike characteristics. heck, some coins are difficult in the same regard but that's usually an individual date/mm, not an entire struck population. sometimes I think these medals get blanket graded because that's the best that can be done and we have to live with it.

keyman64 · October 24, 2013 8:23AM

That's a good update.

gyocomgd · October 24, 2013 11:45AM

<< Someone at PCGS must have noticed this thread, as they just contacted me and asked for me to return the coin to them for a second look. Kudos to PCGS! >>

Very conscientious. I'm impressed.

Tookybandit · October 24, 2013 11:48AM

That's really cool!

magikbilly · October 24, 2013 11:50AM

<< 

<< Someone at PCGS must have noticed this thread, as they just contacted me and asked for me to return the coin to them for a second look. Kudos to PCGS! >>

Very conscientious. I'm impressed. >>

"...they didn't charge us and I'll just send it off to NGC..."

Wonder if that figured into anything. I thought I read a thread a while back where it was said they would indeed be grading these co-called dollars?

Eric

nencoin · October 25, 2013 12:37AM

<< I thought I read a thread a while back where it was said they would indeed be grading these co-called dollars?

Eric >>

I'm sure this is what prompted their phone call. They did indeed say they were going to start grading So-Called dollars and when they saw a thread stating that they declined to slab a So-Called dollar, they made the right decision to look into it further.

I AM curious now what they would do with an HK-6. I have one I'd love to get into a Genuine only holder, but I think it's too big for a PCGS slab. It's 45mm in diameter (which is borderline), but it's too thick (I think) for a PCGS slab. I'll contact them and let y'all know what they say, for you So-Called collectors who might be interested.

AuroraBorealis · October 25, 2013 2:45AM

keets · October 25, 2013 4:11AM

what they would do with an HK-6.

well, it fits in a standard NGC holder so there shouldn't be a problem at PCGS past the fact that they may need an inner gasket for that size(45mm), a predicament that should have been considered prior to undertaking the grading of these(and probably was). there are, however, certain SC$'s which have such high relief that they present a problem: The Pacific Railway Completion, HK-12, is one of them.

PCGS wouldn't grade this (update)

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