opinon on this 69-s ddo1

jnd1955 · September 14, 2013 1:33PM

grade you think and should this coin be submitted to pcgs

this is a frends coin. so its pick from a phone. but here a closer pic of the S but blury

JRocco · September 14, 2013 1:37PM

The S should not be doubled

seanq · September 14, 2013 1:44PM

<< The S should not be doubled >>

I don't think the S is doubled, it looks right to me. It's impossible to grade from the photo with the color balance so far off, but I don't any wear or carbon spots. Even if it was low grade and bound for a Genuine holder, certification is a must for a coin like that for authentication purposes.

I'd love to know the story behind that coin, if there is one.

Sean Reynolds

DorkGirl · September 14, 2013 1:45PM

<< The S should not be doubled >>

Do you think it is a fake?

STONE · September 14, 2013 1:46PM

<< grade you think and should this coin be submitted to pcgs >>

In general, seeing just 80% of one side is difficult to 'guess the grade'

Type2 · September 14, 2013 1:46PM

WoW yes even if comes back alt coloer it's a big $$$ coin. Nice Nice nice.

commoncents05 · September 14, 2013 1:50PM

Definitely should be sent in for grading.

-Paul

Raybo · September 14, 2013 1:57PM

<< WoW yes even if comes back alt coloer it's a big $$$ coin. Nice Nice nice.

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I agree.
Looks like a whopper to me.

keyman64 · September 14, 2013 2:00PM

<< 

<< grade you think and should this coin be submitted to pcgs >>

In general, seeing just 80% of one side is difficult to 'guess the grade' >>

This plus the fact that the color balance and camera angle of the shot are both off...not to mention the focus issues.

Besides all of that....sure looks like it might have some promise there!...not sure about the MM though.

AUandAG · September 14, 2013 2:22PM

Fake in my opinion. The S mintmark is not doubled and is a different shape than yours.

bob

jnd1955 · September 14, 2013 2:26PM

I dont have it in hand, but my concern is the mint mark as i realy can make it out clearly

bolivarshagnasty · September 14, 2013 2:53PM

With just a quick look at the cherrypickers guide, the S looks correct to me. There is a little blurb at the end of the tail of the S that shows on both yours and the guides. I wouldn't think that counterfitters could reproduce that. As others have said, the coin needs to go to PCGS for authentication. Definitely a HUGE find if it makes it into a holder. JMHO

MidLifeCrisis · September 14, 2013 2:54PM

<< should this coin be submitted to pcgs >>

On such a potentially valuable coin, why would you not submit it to PCGS?

LanceNewmanOCC · September 14, 2013 3:08PM

<< 

<< should this coin be submitted to pcgs >>

On such a potentially valuable coin, why would you not submit it to PCGS? >>

+1
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GrumpyEd · September 14, 2013 3:55PM

The S doesn't bother me, it looks off in the big pic but in the close up it looks right. Even a real one could possibly have a slight MD on the S. The CPG says "the mint mark is not doubled" but they're saying it to help rule out strike doubled coins where the S and rest of the coin are only strike doubled and this coin is not strike doubled. It's either the real deal or one very good fake, I think it's real and should be sent in ASAP!!

At that high a value I'd want to get it authenticated and graded and be sure the color wasn't messed with. That baby would already be on it's way for a slab.

WoodenJefferson · September 14, 2013 4:25PM

Ken Potter matches this coin, even looks like the same coin.

GrumpyEd · September 14, 2013 5:38PM

<< Ken Potter matches this coin, even looks like the same coin. >>

Interesting, I see enough to say 100% sure it is the exact same coin.
The dark dot east of TRUST, the little gouge below the 9 and rim dings below the date and toning spot on the rim between the liberty and IN. A scrape on the ear and one on the nose. No doubt it's the same coin.
The only thing different is the area below IN seems to be fixed in the newer pic.

Which makes me wonder because in the article KP says it was already at PCGS and the article is not new.

What gives?

I think there was one that was slabbed around that time but later turned in the slab because it was conserved or re-colored and was handled with the guarantee. Is this that coin?

Also see it in this thread:

It's also the same coin but minus the dot in the field beyond trust:

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=840070

gonzer · September 14, 2013 9:37PM

It disturbs me that the first photo has been cropped in the manner that shows. The coin is good, the story isn't.

shylock · September 14, 2013 9:47PM

Looks like the Potter coin to me too, with some areas "blurred" out like the toned
area behind Lincoln's head, although a small piece is still there attached to his head.

shylock · September 14, 2013 10:11PM

Edited to add better image of Potter coin, from post GrumpyEd mentioned.
That spot to right of TRUST doesn't show up, as well as some others, due to the lighting difference/quality of the 2 photos.

STONE · September 14, 2013 10:12PM

Absolutely the same piece as the Potter article!

shylock · September 14, 2013 10:16PM

Tried to blurr tool the pedigree spots/marks/tones in the fields but missed a few, and the pedigree marks on Lincoln can't be blurred out
without making it obvious.

CoinRaritiesOnline · September 14, 2013 10:29PM

What exactly is the point of this thread?

PerryHall · September 14, 2013 11:07PM

<< What exactly is the point of this thread? >>

If he doesn't own the coin in question, why does he care what grade it is unless it's just for academic interest.

braddick · September 15, 2013 12:02AM

From the OP:
"ithis is a frends coin. so its pick from a phone."

jnd1955 · September 15, 2013 12:33AM

ok here is the story, this coin belongs to a girl on one of my coin clubs, she just joined for help. and of cource there were a few that tryed to steel the coin as she dont know nothing about coins, she recived the coins on her dads passing. i step in and talk he out of selling outright. and submitting it to pcgs, pointing out this could be a very high dollar coin if its real, every thing i see says it is, like other i had a concern about the mint mark to. after reciveing the photo of just the mint mark , even bluer i now think it is 100% real.
this morning i got a message and she is sending me the coin, to get better photos. useing my scope. and one in hand ,i still feel the same, i will be submitting it to pcgs for her.
i am no exspert , but i thinking no matter what i am going to send it in.
so far i have 2 interested after gradeing. lol i think i am going to make her day.

PerryHall · September 15, 2013 12:56AM

<< ok here is the story, this coin belongs to a girl on one of my coin clubs, she just joined for help. and of cource there were a few that tryed to steel the coin as she dont know nothing about coins, she recived the coins on her dads passing. i step in and talk he out of selling outright. and submitting it to pcgs, pointing out this could be a very high dollar coin if its real, every thing i see says it is, like other i had a concern about the mint mark to. after reciveing the photo of just the mint mark , even bluer i now think it is 100% real.
this morning i got a message and she is sending me the coin, to get better photos. useing my scope. and one in hand ,i still feel the same, i will be submitting it to pcgs for her.
i am no exspert , but i thinking no matter what i am going to send it in.
so far i have 2 interested after gradeing. lol i think i am going to make her day. >>

If this coin comes back from a major grading service with a high Mint State grade, she should consign it to a major auction company such as Heritage.

RichieURich · September 15, 2013 12:57AM

<< 

<< should this coin be submitted to pcgs >>

On such a potentially valuable coin, why would you not submit it to PCGS? >>

Coin is worth a LOT more if graded by PCGS. Even if it doesn't grade and goes into a Genuine holder, it's still worth more than raw. So why wouldn't you submit it to PCGS?

Edit to add: Definitely the same coin as the Potter coin pictured.

7Jaguars · September 15, 2013 1:01AM

Wow, the image of Lincoln looks almost better than a proof....

CaptHenway · September 15, 2013 1:18AM

Genuine.

Should be submitted to a major grading service.

LeeBone · September 15, 2013 2:49AM

This thread is making me

It`s clearly the Potter coin. Story is all

BigDowgie · September 15, 2013 3:02AM

LeeBone, I agree, tiny little markings on every coin are just like finger prints, no two are the same! I don't understand why one would lay out a story about some poor innocent little girl?

jnd1955 · September 15, 2013 3:16AM

oh now you hurt my feelings, lol well all i can say is them are her pics, and she is mialing me the coin tomarrow for inspection and submission. ill post my pics when it comes in, question is why would she make up a store of dad passing and this i one of many coins she recived, i am interested i what other coins she now has.

CoinRaritiesOnline · September 15, 2013 3:16AM

<< This thread is making me

It`s clearly the Potter coin. Story is all

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This.

BigDowgie · September 15, 2013 3:37AM

jnd1955,
Yes, post the pictures of the coin that comes in, if it arrives! I would have a hard time sending this in the mail, as USPS does not insure that high!

tincup · September 15, 2013 4:01AM

So how did this gal present the coin at the club? Did she have it in hand... or just pictures?

Not questioning your story, but something just doesn't add up at this point. Will be interesting when you get the coin in.

BustHalfBrian · September 15, 2013 4:12AM

<< This thread is making me

It`s clearly the Potter coin. Story is all

>>

Craving attention?

Hate to assume that, though.

Let us see new pics when you have it.

Windycity · September 15, 2013 4:20AM

Absolutely the real thing and worth big money... likely $30K+

gonzer · September 15, 2013 5:05AM

<< oh now you hurt my feelings, lol well all i can say is them are her pics, and she is mialing me the coin tomarrow for inspection and submission. ill post my pics when it comes in, question is why would she make up a store of dad passing and this i one of many coins she recived, i am interested i what other coins she now has. >>

Yer gramer iz givin' me a hedake!

jnd1955 · September 15, 2013 5:05AM

So how did this gal present the coin at the club? Did she have it in hand... or just pictures?

she post a pic asking for info. and few responded to it , is it for sale, she only had one very blury pic, and we work with her on the lighting. have her take more pics. so i would say she does hand coin in hand. .

she realy dont know about coins, i guess i was tyhe most helpfull so she pic me to work with. as i was not trying to buy it for her,just help and make sure she got a fear deal.
well there not way she will get a fear shake till after this coin is graded. then we will know ture value and she can then put it up for auction.

i am thing telatrade as i have bought many coins there.

Type2 · September 15, 2013 5:07AM

<< ok here is the story, this coin belongs to a girl on one of my coin clubs, she just joined for help. and of cource there were a few that tryed to steel the coin as she dont know nothing about coins, she recived the coins on her dads passing. i step in and talk he out of selling outright. and submitting it to pcgs, pointing out this could be a very high dollar coin if its real, every thing i see says it is, like other i had a concern about the mint mark to. after reciveing the photo of just the mint mark , even bluer i now think it is 100% real.
this morning i got a message and she is sending me the coin, to get better photos. useing my scope. and one in hand ,i still feel the same, i will be submitting it to pcgs for her.
i am no exspert , but i thinking no matter what i am going to send it in.
so far i have 2 interested after gradeing. lol i think i am going to make her day. >>

Making her day!! Only if you put it in Auction you can get $80k to $100k for it i'll give you $30K but that will be a rip but that is all i want to pay...... Put it in Auction that is your best bet for her.

jnd1955 · September 15, 2013 5:13AM

well there is 2 member asking to buy it after gradeing. well its not my call, when i get it back for pcgs. i will post pics, and send message to all that messageme of interest. i will then let her know what the highest offer is and exspane telatrade auction and realy it is total up to her what she want to do. but i do agree auction would be the best. and never know a member may offer a fair price

shylock · September 15, 2013 5:41AM

Good luck with the coin, hope you do well with it for your friend.

It's just very odd how pixels seem to be smudged in places where indentifying marks exist on the Potter example,
with some faintly still visible, and how the spots on the lettering & design seem to match up. But you never know...

jnd1955 · September 15, 2013 6:09AM

i have only seen to conterfets before, this dont look like them. but guess the last as will be pcgs ,lol hope for a new top pop for her , lol

STONE · September 15, 2013 6:23AM

<< i have only seen to conterfets before, this dont look like them. but guess the last as will be pcgs ,lol hope for a new top pop for her , lol >>

LanceNewmanOCC · September 15, 2013 6:26AM

<< 

<< i have only seen to conterfets before, this dont look like them. but guess the last as will be pcgs ,lol hope for a new top pop for her , lol >>

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braddick · September 15, 2013 6:48AM

djdilliodon · September 15, 2013 6:51AM

No doubt in my mind that both coins posted are indeed the same. Anyone else find it odd the way the OP is wording his/her posts (making no sense/terrible English)? Just tosses a red flag for me. Just throwing my .02 ill be on my way now

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PerryHall · September 15, 2013 7:03AM

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gonzer · September 15, 2013 7:22AM

I'm amazed, truly amazed at how long you guys have let this post proliferate. Normally you'd be all over the OP like piranhas on a dead horse.

WinLoseWin · September 15, 2013 7:26AM

Based on what shylock posted, the 1st pic in the original post sure looks like an altered picture of the one shown on Potter's website. Here is the same coin as sold by Heritage in 2008 for $126,500 in a PCGS-64 Red holder.

Could be that someone is getting played here.

http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=454&lotNo=2718

<< Good luck with the coin, hope you do well with it for your friend.

It's just very odd how pixels seem to be smudged in places where indentifying marks exist on the Potter example,
with some faintly still visible, and how the spots on the lettering & design seem to match up. But you never know...

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