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This double-struck dime looks funny?

jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Thoughts on this piece?

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  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,646 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You mean because the off-centered strike is oriented incorrectly? Perhaps a man-made "error"?


  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,027 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Somebody please explain how this could happen at the Mint.

    bob
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  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,099 ✭✭✭
    Definitely not made at the mint.

    -Paul
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  • derrybderryb Posts: 38,549 ✭✭✭✭✭
    obverse, second strike appears to be a different die. Post mint strike?

    Velocity, Not Valuation Defines A Bubble.

  • MedalCollectorMedalCollector Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree. The second strike was made with a false die. I've never actually examined one in hand, so I could be wrong, but the reverse die left an odd ring/damage that I haven't ever observed on an off center or double strike. The details on the obverse also don't seem to match a genuine dime. And of course, as already mentioned, the alignment is wrong. This is probably the best indicator. And if I remember correctly, 1964 was a common year for false second strikes.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    False die second strike.
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  • jmcu12jmcu12 Posts: 2,452 ✭✭✭
    That is awesome! What a great teaching piece.

    Show this to those who collect/are interested in errors what to look for in an authentic piece.
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  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "overcasted" ?


    What the heck does that mean?

    Agreed, can't be legit.



    Frank

    BHNC #203

  • oldsubguruoldsubguru Posts: 189
    It is similar in nature to this Chinese counterfeit.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No doubt a fake... always interesting to see these items. Cheers, RickO
  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,646 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are a lot of man-made counterfeits from the 194 time period. I do not remember the story behind it all. Someone here may be able to contribute. But, I am the "proud" owner of one of these multistruck cents.


  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great post and thank you. So, this had to be made with an over-sized planchet in the first instance?

    Tom

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There's a lot of counterfeit D/S 1964 silver Dime and Quarter which had been manufactured by a jeweler in the 60's or 70's as I recall.

    Edited to add: The Quarters are more commonly seen.
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  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>False die second strike. >>



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  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm very familiar with the late 1960's Counterfeit
    coins that originated here in Southern Calif.

    The counterfeits include 1963-D Silver Quarters,
    (and of course many No Date Silver Quarters), &
    1964 Kennedy Halves, (and No Date Silver Kennedys.)

    This particular dime shown, is not, imo, from that
    group - every single one of those that I've seen
    had the right orientation for the dies on the second
    (false) strikes.

    The '60's fakes are comparatively easy to detect:
    The coin's, especially the Halves, have a 'whitish,
    bleached, pale color' to them. They, and the quarters,
    show unusual metal flow that doesn't occur on
    normal mint-made off centers and double strikes.
    Also, the quarters, more so than the halves, have
    semi-prooflike surfaces on both sides.

    You didn't mention where/when you got it, but I'm
    certain it's not from this group I've discussed.

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    thanks for posting those 2 in this thread. i only have a few counterfeit errors in my database and i am always pleased to add new/different types of fakes.
    .

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 31,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i think its pmd. jmo
  • errormavenerrormaven Posts: 1,176 ✭✭✭
    The 180 degree die rotation, abnormal-looking collar scar, and heavy die cracks on the obverse face have led me to the same conclusion as everyone else -- a counterfeit second strike.
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