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I thought this was a lock at AU58FH. It's got to be the nicest AU58 I've ever seen, the luster is just magical...the color and look is original and captivating (course I like the russet toning.)

I sent it in and missed the mark....woops! A little bittersweet I guess.

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  • 123cents123cents Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭
    Where's the bitter on this one?image
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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    I think you're right, that coin does look AU. I'm seeing rub on Liberty's legs. Maybe this is one of those AU63 type grades where the coin is too beautiful for AU, but technically not MS. Congrats none the less.


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  • BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,190 ✭✭✭✭
    The details for MS are all there. Find one with a little more wear on the eagle's breast and you'll get your precious AU58FH image

    What's so special about that grade anyway? Or are you just an "Everyman's" man? image
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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,845 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Could someone enlighten me please about seeing rub vs. no rub in a photo like this?

    I think it's difficult enough to make the call in-hand, yet I see people all the time describing the rub they see in photos of coins like this. Am I missing something? I know I need to rub the stray PlastX spots off my computer monitor, but what are y'all seeing that I can't?

    My understanding is that for a coin to be circulated it needs to have evidence of actual loss of metal. Just a bit of missing mint frost off the high points isn't enough (otherwise there would only be a handful of MS silver dollars in the world). On most coins I look for loss of luster on the high points as an indication of flow-line wear. How on earth would you see that in a photo?

    BTW, nice coin! If an everyman registry coin was what you were after, my condolences, bizarre as such behavior seems to me. A very wholesome look.
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    that little lady has a date with your pocket image
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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Could someone enlighten me please about seeing rub vs. no rub in a photo like this? >>


    Change in color on the high points is a red flag to me and is often a sign of slight circulation.

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  • sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why were you so sure it was a 58?
    What did you see that the graders didn't?

    "If I say something in the woods and my wife isn't there to hear it.....am I still wrong?"

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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,521 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • Billet7Billet7 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭
    I thought it was a 58 because it has some broken toning on the high points, it could easily be explained in other ways, I just thought it would grade as 58 for that reason. I honestly think it could have gone either way, I think the quality ended up being too high for it to reside in an AU holder.

    I prefer that it is in an MS holder, it's worth more! The OCD person in me wants it to be a 58 just because I have two standing libs in 58 holders.

  • sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Good explanation, I understand. Congratulations by the way.
    Don't feel too confused. At least you nailed the FH part. image

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  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice image


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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,472 ✭✭✭✭✭
    crack it out, give it a good rub, re-submit.
  • etexmikeetexmike Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭


    << <i>crack it out, give it a good rub, re-submit. >>



    That should do it. image

    Very nice SLQ.


    Mike
  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Someone here said recently that AU-58 to MS-63 can often be the same. I have about 10 different coins at 58, that I would be thrilled to have 63. An 84-S Morgan comes to mind real quick.

    Great job!
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,606 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Good explanation, I understand. Congratulations by the way.
    Don't feel too confused. At least you nailed the FH part. image >>



    As a point of information for collectors who not familiar with the 1917-P Type I quarter, finding this piece with a full head is not unusual. In fact the guide books state that 80% of them have full heads. It seems to me that the percentage might be higher than that. At any rate, collectors should not go "ga-ga" when they see THIS specific issue with a full head. Unlike almost all other Standing Liberty quarters, it's quite normal.
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  • Billet7Billet7 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭
    Yep, this is quite a common coin, there are thousands certified even with the FH designation...thats the reason it took me a year and a half before i decided to buy it, but aint it purdy?
  • ebaybuyerebaybuyer Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭
    one of the upshots to the TPG's ... eventually every coin will be overgraded
    regardless of how many posts I have, I don't consider myself an "expert" at anything
  • Billet7Billet7 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭
    Overgraded based on what? Based on the past, but not based on the then current standards. Neither of which is more correct than the other. They are both abstract concepts based on a state of being, it is like the evolution of words. It doesn't matter what the word is, or even what it means. It only matters that others understand an accurate meaning of the utterance. So long as coin collectors understand the grading construct and know what to expect by the grades, an evolution of those standards doesn't hurt anything as long as those that participate within are aware of the updated standards, stricter or looser.
  • Billet7Billet7 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭
    I'm just saying the coin doesn't change simply because we choose to redefine it.
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,443 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Beautiful coin - thanks for posting it. image

    If it hadn't been for the FH vs non-FH stuff, I might have been drawn to collect this series. Great design.
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hmmm.... I guess I do not generally mind upside surprises. image

    Nice coin!
  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,550 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Good thing you don't grade coins for a living.
  • Billet7Billet7 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Good thing you don't grade coins for a living. >>



    Ouch, that hurts!

    I would rather be on the side of being pleasantly surprised. So many people compain about getting hosed on their grades, and then find out they can't grade or overgrade their coins, or worse rely on what the dealers say. (Unless you are fortunate to find a good, honest dealer.)

    I find that I am conservative, which generally turns out in my favor. If more dealers were to err on the side of conservatism I think the hobby would be in a better place. There is no end of dealers that hype a coin by saying they think it's a higher grade than it really is, whether it's in a holder or not.

    The dealer I bought it from had it marked and priced as an AU, I agree. There is the chance PCGS is wrong you know, but honestly it's a tough call, I'm happy with the grade.
  • joecopperjoecopper Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭
    Nice coin but I would have graded it AU55-58 depending on how it looked in the flesh.

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