Well, these things are opinions too. Or not. Grade Interpretation. Thanks to WoodenJefferson for the list earlier in this thread. The list is not complete, but these types of "artifacts" on coins seem more tangible than say eye appeal.
1. Graffiti (significant distracting etchings- occasionally net graded on early coins) 2. Planchet streak removed (usually found on gold coins) 3. Spot(s) removed (leaving some form of damage that is evident) 4. Surfaces tooled (major metal movement- whizzing, lasering, tooling) 5. Machine damage (either: counting machine or coin wrapping machine) 6. Rim damage (either: rim gouge or test cut) 7. Surface damage (either: large gouge/scrape, drill or chop mark) 8. Mount removed (located on either the edge or surface of coin)
I'd say keep trying until you get a match to an earlier grade. That would probably be the real grade.
I stopped trying to make high end walkers back in 1988 after getting MS64's on coins I felt were solid 65 or even 66's. I've always felt that Walkers and SLQ's are a very fussy market with lots of grading variability and inconsistencies. At least that's what I saw from my submissions of MS64-MS66 coins. At times, there is seemingly little difference between an MS64 to MS66 walker. You see something similar in $20 Saints.
Before you eternally dismiss all US grading companies, take another good look at the coin. From your second set of photos I certainly wouldn't buy it as a 67, and maybe not as a 66. Walkers can be tough to grade, ESPECIALLY from photos. It's sort of an overall impression sort of thing. It's very difficult to judge luster and surface condition without seeing it in hand. I'm learning a bit about this as time goes on, but I did spent a while at the ANA show trying to understand the differences I was seeing in Walkers in the 62-66 grade range. I submitted this coin, which I had come across in an album, thinking it would grade out at 65 or so. It came back MS62. My story is similar to yours, but I bought mine for melt value. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see it regrade at a 64/65, but why bother?
I'm guessing your coin is what it is. You can dismiss the experience and those who graded it or learn from it. It's even still possible it might come back graded higher, but not likely at a 67.
<< <i>Before you eternally dismiss all US grading companies, take another good look at the coin. From your second set of photos I certainly wouldn't buy it as a 67, and maybe not as a 66. Walkers can be tough to grade, ESPECIALLY from photos. It's sort of an overall impression sort of thing. It's very difficult to judge luster and surface condition without seeing it in hand. I'm learning a bit about this as time goes on, but I did spent a while at the ANA show trying to understand the differences I was seeing in Walkers in the 62-66 grade range. I submitted this coin, which I had come across in an album, thinking it would grade out at 65 or so. It came back MS62. My story is similar to yours, but I bought mine for melt value. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see it regrade at a 64/65, but why bother?
I'm guessing your coin is what it is. You can dismiss the experience and those who graded it or learn from it. It's even still possible it might come back graded higher, but not likely at a 67. >>
Soft strike for a Philly issue with a big dig on the hand. Should have been a 63 imho. Still great for melt though!
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PCGS's second time grading this beautiful half as an ms64!!
Aren't I lucky!!
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Eric
<< <i>What feeling has this instilled in you? We were talking about something apparently visible, measurable, quantifiable, no? A 98? Now?
Eric >>
Yes, now apparently a cruddy ms64.
I'm just about done with sending coins to US TPG's.
I'm not renewing my membership this year.
"“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)
"I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
Thanks to WoodenJefferson for the list earlier in this thread. The list is not complete, but these types of "artifacts" on coins seem more tangible than say eye appeal.
1. Graffiti (significant distracting etchings- occasionally net graded on early coins)
2. Planchet streak removed (usually found on gold coins)
3. Spot(s) removed (leaving some form of damage that is evident)
4. Surfaces tooled (major metal movement- whizzing, lasering, tooling)
5. Machine damage (either: counting machine or coin wrapping machine)
6. Rim damage (either: rim gouge or test cut)
7. Surface damage (either: large gouge/scrape, drill or chop mark)
8. Mount removed (located on either the edge or surface of coin)
Best wishes,
Eric
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I stopped trying to make high end walkers back in 1988 after getting MS64's on coins I felt were solid 65 or even 66's. I've always felt that Walkers and SLQ's are a very
fussy market with lots of grading variability and inconsistencies. At least that's what I saw from my submissions of MS64-MS66 coins. At times, there is seemingly little
difference between an MS64 to MS66 walker. You see something similar in $20 Saints.
I'm guessing your coin is what it is. You can dismiss the experience and those who graded it or learn from it. It's even still possible it might come back graded higher, but not likely at a 67.
<< <i>Before you eternally dismiss all US grading companies, take another good look at the coin. From your second set of photos I certainly wouldn't buy it as a 67, and maybe not as a 66. Walkers can be tough to grade, ESPECIALLY from photos. It's sort of an overall impression sort of thing. It's very difficult to judge luster and surface condition without seeing it in hand. I'm learning a bit about this as time goes on, but I did spent a while at the ANA show trying to understand the differences I was seeing in Walkers in the 62-66 grade range. I submitted this coin, which I had come across in an album, thinking it would grade out at 65 or so. It came back MS62. My story is similar to yours, but I bought mine for melt value. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see it regrade at a 64/65, but why bother?
I'm guessing your coin is what it is. You can dismiss the experience and those who graded it or learn from it. It's even still possible it might come back graded higher, but not likely at a 67. >>
Soft strike for a Philly issue with a big dig on the hand. Should have been a 63 imho. Still great for melt though!
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