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1901-S Barber Quarter: Opinions...counterfeit slab on eBay?

PatchesPatches Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭
I think so, it just doesn't seem right to me (the barcode just looks wrong for some reason). This auction is priced too low, the seller doesn't seem to sell coins...and no reverse image.

1901-S Barber Quarter - PCGS G06

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    if it is a counterfeit, it is a good un

    went back to take another look and the image changed and change to 2.

    kinda generous giving it a grade. pretty close to damage or scratched.
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    PatchesPatches Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭
    I withdraw my question...the seller just added a reverse image of the coin. The coin looks genuine...sorry image
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    TookybanditTookybandit Posts: 3,424 ✭✭✭✭
    If those nicks on the chin were not there I would bid on that one. Good price!

    ...this is the only one I need to finish my set image

    I am sure I am not the only one on this team image
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    davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,922 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I strongly suspect this is a sandwich job.

    The slab may be 'recycled' and made by PCGS, but the insert is not. I would not buy this unless I wanted to backtrack to the source for prosecution, and was trying to protect a brand.
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    RampageRampage Posts: 9,661 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The coin looks genuine to me. I am not a fan of the nicks and dings around Liberty's face, but maybe it is okay to some folks. Could also be why the asking price is what it is. If the coin did not have those, then I suspect the price would be a bit higher by at least 25 percent.
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    barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Doesn't look right to me. Avoid.
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    Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 9,739 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If your going to buy that kind of big ticket coin you should do so sight seen like at a show.

    The coin appears properly graded. The reverse photo could be due to lighting making the slab look funny - dunno - avoid.

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,786 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A lousy picture is often one of the ways that scammer uses to trick buyers. Given that this is a $4,000 coin, those are terrible pictures because it overemphasizes the slab and shows you very little about the coin, which is what a collector is really buying. They didn't even post a picture of the reverse of the coin right side up. I'd say stay away. As Shakespeare wrote, "There is something rotten in Denmark ..." or wherever this eBay seller resides.
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    earlycoinsearlycoins Posts: 282 ✭✭✭
    With the various recent discussions of counterfeit encapsulations and IDs, the two major services are going to have to position themselves for battle, get involved and deal with the problem.

    Much like the newest anti- counterfeit designs for currency, something needs to occur quickly. Next we'll have fake CAC stickers on fake holders, with bad coins... And legit verification numbers.

    Overall, not a promising situation.

    As to the specific worn Barber brought to the attention of the forum by the OP, I've not a clue.
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    amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am 99% sure that coin is counterfeit. Look at the denticles under the 2nd 1. The ones are centered over the denticles on all genuine 1901-S quarters!
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    PatchesPatches Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭
    well it sold, good luck to the buyer
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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I am 99% sure that coin is counterfeit. Look at the denticles under the 2nd 1. The ones are centered over the denticles on all genuine 1901-S quarters! >>



    more than 1 obverse die was used. the heritage archives show 2 positions of the last 1.

    i observed that from just looking at half a dozen coins.

    not saying that guarantees authenticity of the coin from the OP but it does confirm it is possible to have 2 or more positions of the date.
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,786 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>I am 99% sure that coin is counterfeit. Look at the denticles under the 2nd 1. The ones are centered over the denticles on all genuine 1901-S quarters! >>



    more than 1 obverse die was used. the heritage archives show 2 positions of the last 1.

    i observed that from just looking at half a dozen coins.

    not saying that guarantees authenticity of the coin from the OP but it does confirm it is possible to have 2 or more positions of the date.
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    As I wrote earlier, these pictures are too small to make those kinds of judgment calls. If you want to sell a coin like this with suspicion, post a large, in-focus, close-up pictures of it. Otherwise my suspiciion is that that the seller is up to something, and I would not part of this offering.
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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    the image resolution is good enough.

    image

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    yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 5,290 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There's a great web page for authenticating 1901-S Barber Quarters, which shows the known obverse dies:
    http://www.barbercoins.org/1901SBQ.html
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,786 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>.
    the image resolution is good enough.

    image >>



    Yes, but the piece could be one of those fairly sophisticated copies that could still get under the radar with a picture like this. We can't see the edge, and you can't really see the surfaces. The position of the main devices on a coin is only one of several factors that are involved in authentication.
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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i> The position of the main devices on a coin is only one of several factors that are involved in authentication. >>


    +1
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    JobessiJobessi Posts: 267 ✭✭✭
    I was just about to post that it came back, too. New seller has a (1) rating, lol
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,371 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can't believe that coin was netted at Good 06 with all that facial damage.

    At least a dozen gouges and a couple of digs. How does that get anything but a genuine holder? I've had seated coins rejected with just 1 or 2 such marks.
    Not worth Good 04 money to me no matter who's holder it's in. First I'd question whether the holder is tampered with.
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    PatchesPatches Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭
    This coin smells image y
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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It's baaaaaaaaaaack! >>


    “Whooptydoo. But what does it all mean Basil?”
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