Counterfeit holder on eBay? 16-D Merc

commoncents05 · May 15, 2013 3:04AM

Link to auction.

The font looks good on this one, but the coin seems incredibly undergraded, which is what sounded the warning bells for me. Any thoughts?

-Paul

AUandAG · May 15, 2013 3:21AM

Fake dime, D is not in correct place. So, fake coin in PCGS slab? Was slabbed cracked and a fake inserted
and then resealed? Can that be done??

bob

Steve27 · May 15, 2013 3:37AM

IMO the coin is much higher grade than the holder indicates, the center of the "D" should be triangular and it's not, an there's a funny watermark on the paper insert which a real slab wouldn't have; thus, yes it's a fake slab/coin.

morgansforever · May 15, 2013 3:43AM

Something is strange, it's a photograph, but the dime has that scanned appearance. Anyone else feel the same?

LindeDad · May 15, 2013 3:58AM

<< Something is strange, it's a photograph, but the dime has that scanned appearance. Anyone else feel the same? >>

I don't agree think all images are from a scanner. And might be that another Pawn Shop gets stuck with counterfeits at dimes on dpollars.

AUandAG · May 15, 2013 3:59AM

Sent the seller a note to have a dealer look at the coin (mentioned to look at a damaged slab) before he ships and got this back:

Dear bobandlinda1,

This coin is a mystery to me as I am by no means an expert on coins. I have look to see if the case has been opened and I see no evidence of such. I will be attaching a letter to explain this to the buyer and as with all my auctions will be offering a full refund.

- depotpawn

s4ny · May 15, 2013 4:09AM

The reverse is not 180 degrees from the obverse. Many coins have this
but this is off by quite a bit. Is this amount of rotation normal for the 16 D?

Prethen · May 15, 2013 5:13AM

And he says it's been CAC'd. Looks XF to me. Something is not right.

johnny9434 · May 15, 2013 5:24AM

wow, 18 bids which is not good and 3 real bad negatives to boot. someone will be disappointed.

bigjpst · May 15, 2013 5:36AM

<< IMO the coin is much higher grade than the holder indicates, the center of the "D" should be triangular and it's not, an there's a funny watermark on the paper insert which a real slab wouldn't have; thus, yes it's a fake slab/coin.

>>

I think the water mark you are seeing is the reflection of his camera.
It also looks like the picture was taken inside a light box. This may explain the scanned or washed out look. I am on my phone so I have no opinion on the coin.

LanceNewmanOCC · May 15, 2013 6:15AM

<< Fake dime, D is not in correct place. So, fake coin in PCGS slab? Was slabbed cracked and a fake inserted
and then resealed? Can that be done??
bob >>

i concur.

100% not authentic. none of the 4 reverse dies has a D that clears the tip of the leaf. die 4 is close but this coin is a mile off.

they can crack coins, keep the real one, keep the original insert, put it all into new plastic. authentication of slabbed coins is: 1. start with coin 2. verify insert/holder. (that will get you through 99.5% of the way)

whomever commented about wrong coin for the assigned grade is right on the money. all the counterfeit pcgs 1916-d dimes have been like this where the grade of the "coin" is far from the insert. (that I have seen).

i've saved the info and will contact the buyer if feedback is left, unless they figure it out that is.

here is the reverse for the viewers.

commoncents05 · May 31, 2013 3:43AM

Back on eBay.

-Paul

LindeDad · May 31, 2013 4:49AM

Reading the listing looks like the seller thinks OK because the cert. number verifiies. Has no clue it's a counterfeit slab.

Flash · May 31, 2013 4:54AM

Isn't there now a concerted effort by PCGS to go after items like this? I'm suprised they haven't.

DennisH · May 31, 2013 6:32AM

Yes there is.

Reported again.

numisma · June 1, 2013 7:06AM

Just found this thread. When I click the link in the OP's first post, I get an auction for a VG10, and that coin is 100% genuine. It possesses all of the correct diagnostics, including the die break from 6 o'clock on the obverse to the truncation of the bust. The "D" is also correct is shape and location.

Scrolling down I see a VF20 and that coin is fake. Is the seller listing more than one coin? I am confused.

LindeDad · June 1, 2013 7:14AM

Use the Back on Ebay link the first link in post one is no longer good.

Zoins · June 1, 2013 7:23AM

<< Reading the listing looks like the seller thinks OK because the cert. number verifiies. Has no clue it's a counterfeit slab. >>

There will eventually need to be another slab system since verifying the cert is no longer the only thing needed. More photos will definitely help.

commoncents05 · June 1, 2013 7:53AM

<< Just found this thread. When I click the link in the OP's first post, I get an auction for a VG10, and that coin is 100% genuine. It possesses all of the correct diagnostics, including the die break from 6 o'clock on the obverse to the truncation of the bust. The "D" is also correct is shape and location.

Scrolling down I see a VF20 and that coin is fake. Is the seller listing more than one coin? I am confused. >>

Both the original listing and the second listing have been nuked by eBay. That is the reason the links are not working.

-Paul

Counterfeit holder on eBay? 16-D Merc

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