Tacoma Police Request Assistance

mrearlygold · May 4, 2013 12:29AM

Tacoma Police Request Assistance

Bad Check

Tacoma, Washington police are requesting assistance in locating an individual who wrote a local coin shop a bad check in the amount of $13,000. The subject appears to be writing checks for coins/bullion then selling to other dealers for cash.

The individual has been identified as; (No photo available at this time)

Orlando J. Lopez
Operating as Numissource, LLC
Converse, Texas

Anyone with information should contact:

Doug Davis
817-723-7231
Doug@numismaticcrimes.org

keyman64 · May 4, 2013 12:38AM

Yikes, $13K!

Unknown · May 4, 2013 12:45AM

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Banemorth · May 4, 2013 12:48AM

<< Anyone accepting a check from an unknown source deserves it imho. It is called an education since I know someone had tohave told the individual sometime in his past not to accept checks from a stranger or at least wait until it clears before you hand over the goods. Now he has finally learned. >>

I wouldn't go so far as to say he deserved it. It's sad that you can't trust people anymore. Very sad

daOnlyBG · May 4, 2013 2:13AM

I can't blame the guy COMPLETELY, as this Orlando Lopez played a pretty subtle trick: he used the name "Numissource, LLC" as the name of his professional business. Having such a name would probably steer a seller to trust this guy, as his name is pegged to a business, and hypothetically, would be traceable.

The point where this unfortunate dealer messed up was not taking a couple minutes to google "Numissource, LLC." It does not lead to any Texas-area business listing online. Now, if you google "Numis" and "bullion" (to see what's associated with this guy) you would come up with that bullion-related pyramid scheme that wipes your wallet's contents away quickly.

I probably wouldn't give someone merchandise unless the check cleared through- it's just easier that way.

ricko · May 4, 2013 2:49AM

It is called 'cash and carry'...not 'check and carry' unless it is a trusted, verified source. Otherwise, wait until the check clears.... pretty simple.... sorry to hear of this dealer's misfortune though, likely is a good guy and a trusting soul. Cheers, RickO

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lkeigwin · May 4, 2013 3:55AM

Sometimes it's difficult to know when a check clears.

I asked my bank "when will I know this check has cleared?" The reply I got was "When you don't get a bounce/NSF notice". Say what? So I asked what is a reasonable length of time to wait before shipping. "Around 7 business days." This was back in ~2001.

So I waited two full weeks. Got no notice. Shipped the quarter eagle. A few days later I got the bounce notice. Seems my bank put the out of state check through a couple of times before notifying me. And yes, the buyer was a thief and I lost several hundred dollars (after a fruitless battle with him, my bank, and Florida authorities).
Lance.

agentjim007 · May 4, 2013 4:20AM

Which shop?

daOnlyBG · May 4, 2013 4:29AM

<< Which shop? >>

Exactly.

coinguy1989 · May 4, 2013 5:07AM

<< Sometimes it's difficult to know when a check clears.

I asked my bank "when will I know this check has cleared?" The reply I got was "When you don't get a bounce/NSF notice". Say what? So I asked what is a reasonable length of time to wait before shipping. "Around 7 business days." This was back in ~2001.

So I waited two full weeks. Got no notice. Shipped the quarter eagle. A few days later I got the bounce notice. Seems my bank put the out of state check through a couple of times before notifying me. And yes, the buyer was a thief and I lost several hundred dollars (after a fruitless battle with him, my bank, and Florida authorities).
Lance. >>

Wow; that's disturbing. What do you do now?

lkeigwin · May 4, 2013 5:29AM

<< 

<< Sometimes it's difficult to know when a check clears.

I asked my bank "when will I know this check has cleared?" The reply I got was "When you don't get a bounce/NSF notice". Say what? So I asked what is a reasonable length of time to wait before shipping. "Around 7 business days." This was back in ~2001.

So I waited two full weeks. Got no notice. Shipped the quarter eagle. A few days later I got the bounce notice. Seems my bank put the out of state check through a couple of times before notifying me. And yes, the buyer was a thief and I lost several hundred dollars (after a fruitless battle with him, my bank, and Florida authorities).
Lance. >>

Wow; that's disturbing. What do you do now? >>

I don't take checks from strangers. It was a very good lesson.
Lance.

Lakesammman · May 4, 2013 6:32AM

In God We Trust - all others pay cash.

Greeniejr · May 4, 2013 6:48AM

There is an easy way to take personal checks. Require the seller to produce a copy of the cleared check with our bank stamp on it from the bank. That way we know it has been through the bank and has cleared.

mrearlygold · May 4, 2013 6:52AM

30+ years ago I had a shop on Rte 88 at the laurelton circle in bricktown nj. We were right next door to a tatoo parlor and I put a stupid name on the building, Tops Numismatics. This was a very busy road and I got a considerable amount of traffic that just walked in and asked if I could help them quit smoking or some other nonsense as they obviously didn't know what numismatics meant.

One day a fellow named Geoffrey C Umpleby walked in and sold me a few k-rands. Overnight gold dropped and the next day in walks Geofrey this time inquiring if I still have the rands, which I did and he stated he'd like to buy them back now that gold has dropped. Gold dropped by quite a bit so this made sense. He took out his checkbook and went to write me a check. Gave me a reference who I think is still in business in Point Pleasant just down the road also on rte 88 who gave me glowing reference, the guy is a big dental gold buyer blah blah blah. So I took his check. I remember at the time I had a deposit on a new bedroom set at ethan allen and the amount of this "transaction" was about as much as the balance due and I was a very poor dealer who if I was ripped off for a few thousand it stung and as far as the bedroom set well, that didn't happen at that time because as you guessed it the check came back with holes punched in it. Upon filing the police report it turned out he was very well known for pulling the same thing up and down the eastern seaboard.

The prosecutor told me that despite the fact they KNEW this slimebag was over the border in pennsylvania, they would NOT extradite him and if I didn't show up for kangaroo court in toms river they would charge ME with contempt despite the fact there was no reason to show up for court as they weren't going to do a dang thing about it anyhow.

Whoever said banks are not cooperative with us for at least telling us a check is good or not is 100% on the money. I have nothing nice to say about banks so I'll leave it at that.

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derryb · May 4, 2013 11:06AM

<< It may be a felony to pass a back check, but it costs money to execute. >>

wouldn't it be cheaper to just give go for 30 years to life, unless you meant "to prosecute"?

johnny9434 · May 5, 2013 6:15AM

<< Yikes, $13K! >>

yes, OUCH

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