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Do you think it is wrong to buy from the parking lot?
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Do you think it is wrong to buy/ inquire/make an offer on a coin/gun/lawnmower in the parking lot of the store, or a show floor after a person has just walked out/away of after recieving a low buy offer?
I was in the parking lot of a gun store yesterday and about to leave when a woman walked up to me asking for a light. While i was getting her a lighter the guy parked beside me came out talking on his cell phone about how low of offers he recieved on his guns. While he was putting the guns in his trunk the woman ( who i did not know) enguaged him in a brief conversation. He was needing to sell a few guns to get ready for a baby on the way. I asked him what he had and said i would like to look at the guns and he was more than receptive. He was wanting to pull them out right there and i suggested we go to a parking lot down the street. We went down the street and long story short i bought all 4 of them.
In your opinion is this right or wrong to do? I make the rounds of a lot of coin/pawn/gun stores on a weekly basis and out of the blue will be offered merchandise if i am getting in or out of my vehicle or leaving the store. I do not go out of my way to chase these people down in the parking lot. I have a pretty good idea of what type of offers these people have recieved from the store they have just left. Sometimes i just tell them where i think they can go to get a better offer or if intersted in what they have suggest we go to a different parking lot.
The owner of 1 store knows that i have bought a few items from time to time from people leaving and said he did not care as i do not do the transaction in the parking lot.
I generally pass 99 percent of the time on stuff i see in parking lots due to the person/feeling/vibe they give off and because i would have to carry 50k and have a box van to put it all in.
I have seen vultures work parking lots, show lobbys, and stores looking to buy this way and while some may not see a difference i am not asking about that, more of if you are approached. I am a smoker so this happens more than you make think outside in the smoking AREA of coin shows/gun shows etc. as people stand around having a smoke and bs'ing.
I was in the parking lot of a gun store yesterday and about to leave when a woman walked up to me asking for a light. While i was getting her a lighter the guy parked beside me came out talking on his cell phone about how low of offers he recieved on his guns. While he was putting the guns in his trunk the woman ( who i did not know) enguaged him in a brief conversation. He was needing to sell a few guns to get ready for a baby on the way. I asked him what he had and said i would like to look at the guns and he was more than receptive. He was wanting to pull them out right there and i suggested we go to a parking lot down the street. We went down the street and long story short i bought all 4 of them.
In your opinion is this right or wrong to do? I make the rounds of a lot of coin/pawn/gun stores on a weekly basis and out of the blue will be offered merchandise if i am getting in or out of my vehicle or leaving the store. I do not go out of my way to chase these people down in the parking lot. I have a pretty good idea of what type of offers these people have recieved from the store they have just left. Sometimes i just tell them where i think they can go to get a better offer or if intersted in what they have suggest we go to a different parking lot.
The owner of 1 store knows that i have bought a few items from time to time from people leaving and said he did not care as i do not do the transaction in the parking lot.
I generally pass 99 percent of the time on stuff i see in parking lots due to the person/feeling/vibe they give off and because i would have to carry 50k and have a box van to put it all in.
I have seen vultures work parking lots, show lobbys, and stores looking to buy this way and while some may not see a difference i am not asking about that, more of if you are approached. I am a smoker so this happens more than you make think outside in the smoking AREA of coin shows/gun shows etc. as people stand around having a smoke and bs'ing.
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<< <i>Do you think it is wrong to buy/ inquire/make an offer on a coin/gun/lawnmower in the parking lot of the store, or a show floor after a person has just walked out/away of after recieving a low buy offer?
I was in the parking lot of a gun store yesterday and about to leave when a woman walked up to me asking for a light. While i was getting her a lighter the guy parked beside me came out talking on his cell phone about how low of offers he recieved on his guns. While he was putting the guns in his trunk the woman ( who i did not know) enguaged him in a brief conversation. He was needing to sell a few guns to get ready for a baby on the way. I asked him what he had and said i would like to look at the guns and he was more than receptive. He was wanting to pull them out right there and i suggested we go to a parking lot down the street. We went down the street and long story short i bought all 4 of them.
In your opinion is this right or wrong to do? I make the rounds of a lot of coin/pawn/gun stores on a weekly basis and out of the blue will be offered merchandise if i am getting in or out of my vehicle or leaving the store. I do not go out of my way to chase these people down in the parking lot. I have a pretty good idea of what type of offers these people have recieved from the store they have just left. Sometimes i just tell them where i think they can go to get a better offer or if intersted in what they have suggest we go to a different parking lot.
The owner of 1 store knows that i have bought a few items from time to time from people leaving and said he did not care as i do not do the transaction in the parking lot.
I generally pass 99 percent of the time on stuff i see in parking lots due to the person/feeling/vibe they give off and because i would have to carry 50k and have a box van to put it all in.
I have seen vultures work parking lots, show lobbys, and stores looking to buy this way and while some may not see a difference i am not asking about that, more of if you are approached. I am a smoker so this happens more than you make think outside in the smoking AREA of coin shows/gun shows etc. as people stand around having a smoke and bs'ing. >>
I don't think obama would approve but I see nothing wrong as long as you are doing it off the dealers property.
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<< <i>Did'nt we just have this discussion?? I personaly dont see any issue but given some of the replies in that other thread I suspect a few will respond that you should be flogged for taking the food off the table of those gun dealers. >>
The other thread was very similar and the only ones that thought it was wrong were the forum coin dealers while collectors thought it was perfectly fine to buy from a seller who just turned down a dealer's low ball offer.
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I think he was in the wrong in this particular instance (probably should have switched to decaf or changed his meds), but I did learn a lesson about appearances and perceptions that day.
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But, if someone approaches you with something, and you leave the immediate vicinity to conduct a transaction at another location, then I don't see a real problem. In this case with the guns, it seems to have been handled appropriately in my opinion.
I think its more about just approaching the situation in a respectful way to all parties.
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<< <i>The other thread was very similar and the only ones that thought it was wrong were the forum coin dealers while collectors thought it was perfectly fine to buy from a seller who just turned down a dealer's low ball offer. >>
I'm not sure where that "low ball" comes from. According to the OP, the offer in the other thread was not a lowball offer.
<< <i>See this thread. >>
You mean the one where the dealer made a fair offer that was only 10% under what the seller said he wanted?
No. The dealer had his chance, his lowball offer was not accepted. I do not do it, but I see nothing wrong in it. If the dealer really wanted them he should have made a fair offer.
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<< <i>As long as you went to another area, the deal between the dealer and the seller was not going to happen anyway. >>
I agree. You handled things totally right in my opinion.
Hoard the keys.
But, you open yourself up to buying possible stolen goods.
I do thes once in a while at my B&M, but only with folks who I recognize and who recognize me.
And the buying/selling happens in a well trafficed area; cafe or coffee shop.
Then again, I would not walk down the aisle hand in hand with another man and say "I do" , either.
Not that there is anything wrong with one or the other, it's just not U.S. Coin related.
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Might upset the store owner if he sees it.
Might end up with a stolen gun.
Might get robbed in the parking lot by an armed crook that knows you had cash to offer for the guns.
Might be a set up, crook fakes a conversation on the phone that's sort of broadcasting "cheap guns to sell" in a parking lot where people come to buy guns.
Other than those risks it's probably ok
I guess I'd want some info on who the seller was in case there's a problem like it was hot or used in a crime.
I'd want a better story than "bought it in a lot" if later the police say it was used in a murder or somethin.
that pulls up in a parking lot is a smart idea?
Any chance the smoker and the seller were working together? Sounds
like you are being set up for a scam !!
<< <i>Do you think buying something with a serial number on it from some guy
that pulls up in a parking lot is a smart idea?
Any chance the smoker and the seller were working together? Sounds
like you are being set up for a scam !! >>
There is actually a pawnshop next door and the woman was waiting on her boyfriend to pawn some vedio games.
I met the guy down the street in a parking lot, he has a kid on the way and just finished paying taxes etc. His business card said he was some type of accountant ( a young one) The guns he was selling were actually bought from the gun store he was trying to sell back to them. He did buy the guns before the price run up before the end of last year. What got him hot under the collar was a AR-15. The gun store had talked or suggested ( i am only going off his side of the story) into building one so he had them order him a Yankee hill lower and a Yankee hill upper along with a set of Desert tan MOE Furniture. He had the gun store order him a cool 2 gun bag from Midway, a Bravo Co charging handle, tan flip up front and rear sites, a nikon m223 scope and scope mount and about 6 mags, some pmags and some regular 30 round mags. He claims they told him this was way better than just buying a DMPS, Colt, Bushmaster etc. The gun store buy offer for all the above was 600 dollars which he claimed he paid a little over 2k for. 2k seems a little high but he did not internet shop, just had the store order. The smith and wesson 460vx 8 3/8 barrel revolver buy offer was 375, the buy offer on the older 9mm Walther P1 was 100 and the offer on the SKS was 100 dollars. The guy claims he bought the S&W and the AR-15 new from them and the other 2 used from them. I did over hear the buy offer on the ar-15 while i was in the store as i was buying a rifle and was surprised although in the stores defense they probably had zero use for the gun bag. What i thought was a little wrong was on the other side of the gun store they had around 10 AR's in stock with price tags from 1700 to 3k on them for strippers. The hyper inflated days for AR's are done in my area as all that felt the need to run out and buy one now have them. Ammo is still in short supply. The sell off is just around the corner.
The guy was a little bit screwed anyway as this coming weekend there are no gun shows within 100 miles, most are out of cash until the 1st of the month. In my opinion the AR-15 was worth 1400, the smith and wesson 460vx about 1100, the P1 around 400 and the SKS about 350.
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I have been in the rent property business for many years now, the offers to buy stuff is never ending, either they need $$ or someone they know needs $$, if it works for them and me so be it. I have walked away from some deals.
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<< <i>Is there no place on the whole internet for gun talk ? >>
I don't mind gun talk. I think guns are needed for protecting society. However, the question isn't about whether guns are great to ward off evil, rather if dealing in parking lots is wrong or not. We have to look at the question, not the answers.
Mark asked if YOU think it's wrong to buy from a parking lot. Regardless of where people do their deals , it's a fair game question. People do deals everywhere. I delivered a MONSTER BOX of 2013 SAE's in a Home Depot Parking Lot just yesterday. I have no qualms about if the guns are made in Russia, China or America or if people deal in a bar. It's cool. That's what makes our country so great.
A guy came in the shop and we talked about ammo. He stops at WalMart a lot to "stock up" on it. Why do you think we cannot talk about guns ?
gold , guns, God, girls, dipping, stripping, flipping and tipping...
... we can talk about each issue, but we must be careful with respect to HOW we address these things. People are sensitive.
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I was in a gun shop last year when a guy (we are a military town by the way) came in with a s&w 45, he paid like 1k new a year before same shop and they only offered him 250 to re-purchase, hadn't even been shot. Apparently, he was away on duty, and just got back in and needed some cash.
was what it was...made sense, I kept the old gun. Still have it. Still shoot it.
There, gun talk engaged in.
My main objection to OT topics is this... if this forum allowed rambling discussions on any old topic we chose, the serious coin experts would vanish, there would be no more threads of any
use to someone who wants to learn about coins and it would be just a bunch of guys talking about stuff...I've got no objection to guys talking about stuff, but I get plenty of that in my
regular life.
BTW, buying a gun in a parking lot around here would be a seriously sketchy proposition, and I doubt there are many tempting coin deals going down on the streets either...
<< <i>There are a couple of gun shops around here, they pump you up on adding this and that, but then when you need to sell, they offer cents on the dollar. Makes a lot of people upset.
I was in a gun shop last year when a guy (we are a military town by the way) came in with a s&w 45, he paid like 1k new a year before same shop and they only offered him 250 to re-purchase, hadn't even been shot. Apparently, he was away on duty, and just got back in and needed some cash. >>
Unless I knew the owner personally, I would never consider a used gun as being anything other than abused esp. if it is capable of being fired rapidly.
<< <i>Did'nt we just have this discussion?? >>
Yes, but the other one was about coins. This one is about guns. On the coin forum no less.
He who knows he has enough is rich.
<< <i>Is there no place on the whole internet for gun talk ? >>
A lot of coin enthusiasts are also firearm enthusiasts; some out of protective necessity and others simply because they enjoy them.
<< <i>Nothing really wrong with it but...
Might upset the store owner if he sees it.
Might end up with a stolen gun.
Might get robbed in the parking lot by an armed crook that knows you had cash to offer for the guns.
Might be a set up, crook fakes a conversation on the phone that's sort of broadcasting "cheap guns to sell" in a parking lot where people come to buy guns.
Other than those risks it's probably ok
I guess I'd want some info on who the seller was in case there's a problem like it was hot or used in a crime.
I'd want a better story than "bought it in a lot" if later the police say it was used in a murder or somethin. >>
Ya pays yer money and ha takes yer chances.
Then came in to brag about it.
I smiled and asked him how he would ever dispose of it and how he knew if it was a stolen gun that would show up if he ever got checked and how he would explain that he bought it in a parking lot without doing any of the California required "private party sale" paperwork but it would still show up as stolen so he would have to be either the criminal who stole it or the criminal who bought it while going around the law.
His expression was priceless.
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<< <i>Is there no place on the whole internet for gun talk ? >>
A lot of coin enthusiasts are also firearm enthusiasts; some out of protective necessity and others simply because they enjoy them. >>
Alright , then is there no place on the whole Internet for gun and coin talk ?
My favorite gun store was Ron Swiney Coins ( died last year and shop now closed) The dad and sons would just assume talk about guns as coins on any given day. They had enough personel guns in the store to operate a gun store.
I have noticed over the years there are 3 or 4 different types of coin collectors and 1 of those groups have zero intrest in guns and probably should not own one anyway. I have seen more people selling coins/bullion that make me a lot more leary than the guy selling a gun.
As far as the SKS i am not 100 percent sure on the manufacture yet, it is my first SKS and have not researched it enough yet. At first i assumed Yugo since the serial # is B8090 but the numbers do not seem to fall in the right range.
Coins are my passion but i believe every coin i buy should also a warrant buying a gun. A half dime warrants a .22 a dime a 380, a quarter a 9mm or 243 and so on. I had to sell the gold for the 338 Lapua and .50BMG though.
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