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When one knows for certain that a eBay seller is shilling a coin listing...

coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,510 ✭✭✭✭✭
that you are an active bidder on, what would you do?

1) Retract your bid and move on.

2)Warn the seller to cease posting shill bids.

3)Notify eBay in hopes that the seller is NARU'ed.

4)Let your max proxy bid stand, even if the shill outbids.

"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
http://www.american-legacy-coins.com

Comments

  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Suspecting something and knowing something are two completely different things.

    Only recourse is to let eBay know and do not bid anymore.
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    there's little to hope for unless it's revenge and you won't get the item, so the best thing to do is move on and forget about it.
  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why are you bidding and not snipping?

    If you like the coin put in your max snipe and go for it.

    I have bought tens of thousands of coins on ebay, not once was I ever concerned about shill bidding.

    Shill bidding ...... why care, why spend time thinking about it?
  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,040 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't bid... and I report it to eBay. I've been successful with that approach lately -- especially with coins that sell one day, but are relisted the next day... and the "winner" has a 100% bidding history with the seller.
    When in doubt, don't.
  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623


    << <i>Why are you bidding and not snipping?

    If you like the coin put in your max snipe and go for it.

    I have bought tens of thousands of coins on ebay, not once was I ever concerned about shill bidding.

    Shill bidding ...... why care, why spend time thinking about it? >>



    I agree, there are many ways to get from point a to b with some being shady and others being honorable by the other party. As long as you like where you end up don't worry about the integrity of the other party. Life is about results not fairness but if you are put off, I would retract my bid and move on.
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree with Crypto..... when I frequented ebay, initially, I just stopped bidding when I detected a shill. Later, on things I really wanted, I sniped (100% success)...now, I just do not bother with ebay. Cheers, RickO
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 32,181 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i agree with crypto as well. put the seller on your block list if youd like as well. jmo
  • #1
    Lots of honest sellers to do business with instead of giving your $ to a scammer.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,509 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Why are you bidding and not snipping?

    If you like the coin put in your max snipe and go for it.

    I have bought tens of thousands of coins on ebay, not once was I ever concerned about shill bidding.

    Shill bidding ...... why care, why spend time thinking about it? >>



    Agree---practical and logical course of action.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • coin22lovercoin22lover Posts: 3,542 ✭✭✭
    Stick to snipe bids only?
  • yellowkidyellowkid Posts: 5,486
    I'd forget about him and move on.
  • rec78rec78 Posts: 5,930 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Why are you bidding and not snipping?

    If you like the coin put in your max snipe and go for it.

    I have bought tens of thousands of coins on ebay, not once was I ever concerned about shill bidding.

    Shill bidding ...... why care, why spend time thinking about it? >>



    I agree, there are many ways to get from point a to b with some being shady and others being honorable by the other party. As long as you like where you end up don't worry about the integrity of the other party. Life is about results not fairness but if you are put off, I would retract my bid and move on. >>



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    This.

    Let me add that you may not want to isolate the seller--One day you may get a cherry-pick-You never know.

    Bob
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  • CoinflipCoinflip Posts: 849 ✭✭✭
    How do you detect a shill for certain?

    1909 VDB LINCOLN CENT PCGS MS64RD DDO FS1102 with CAC
    at Auction sells for $512.78 (3 bidders around the $500 mark)

    Exactly 1 week later, the same exact coin sells for
    US $338.66 on the same auction platform

    Is it a shill? did the bidder change his mind or retract? Any 2nd chance offers?



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    RAD#306

  • silverpopsilverpop Posts: 6,931 ✭✭✭✭✭
    never worry about what you can't control, move on and find another seller

    don't count your chickens before they're hatched

  • ebaybuyerebaybuyer Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭
    how would anyone be 100% certain there is a shill bidder ?? the honest answer is... you cannot. you can guess, you can accuse, but unless you are doing the shill bidding yourself, you have no way to positively determine what someone else's intentions are.
    regardless of how many posts I have, I don't consider myself an "expert" at anything
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 39,377 ✭✭✭✭✭
    3 & 4
    Current maintainer of Stone's Master List of Favorite Websites // My BST transactions
  • 410a410a Posts: 1,325
    Numbers 1 & 2. Why would you or anyone else bother with Ebay? There are so many coin shows, coin dealers, people on these boards that you can make a fine in person relationship with and buy coins. Besides all that more than enough dealers offer approval services not to mention auctions. At the major auctions a professional looks at the coins to be offered sans the shenanigans. I don't know if I am right or wrong, but I just think that venue is too much of a bother.
  • derrybderryb Posts: 38,553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1) Retract your bid and move on.
    This

    4)Let your max proxy bid stand, even if the shill outbids.
    or this

    2)Warn the seller to cease posting shill bids.
    Not this, ebay frowns heavily on it.

    3)Notify eBay in hopes that the seller is NARU'ed.
    Only if your max bid loses or you decided to retract. Keep in mind if you retract, report to ebay and then ebay catches him at shilling, he will have a good idea the retractor reported him and may look for revenge with your selling account. If I was going to report it I would not retract my bid.

    "A car is a tool that takes you from one place to another. Everything beyond that is a payment for other people's perception of you."

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