1994 TDO Kennedy

bishftl · February 22, 2013 5:52AM

Are these rare finds?

ricko · February 22, 2013 6:33AM

Hard to say...there is no picture..... Cheers, RickO

tahoe98 · February 22, 2013 7:14AM

<< Hard to say...there is no picture..... Cheers, RickO >>

...got one now, ricko.

tahoe98 · February 22, 2013 7:18AM

...what are you curious about, bishftl? i just want to know what you are referring to.

19Lyds · February 22, 2013 7:22AM

Are those rare?

No.

As what you are displaying is only ejection doubling which is quite common.

bishftl · February 22, 2013 7:22AM

triple die, look on the ear. i have not seen one before, is it common?

bishftl · February 22, 2013 7:24AM

what about ejection tripling?
just don't see them very often, lots of double but not triple.

09sVDB · February 22, 2013 7:27AM

Machine Doubling. No not rare.

seanq · February 22, 2013 7:30AM

This is a variety that was discovered not long after they were minted, and I recall that examples made the rounds to a lot of experts. I have to confess that I do not recall what their consensus was. I do not think the coin was considered a doubled die, but rather an unusual (and repeatable) form of ejection doubling. If you do some web searching I'm sure you can find a CONECA article or blog post about them, as I recall they were quite a point of discussion - I just wish I could remember the verdicts.

Sean Reynolds

EDITED to add: Here is another old forum thread about this variety, unfortunately the replies there were about as helpful as the ones here thus far.

tahoe98 · February 22, 2013 7:30AM

<< triple die, look on the ear. i have not seen one before, is it common? >>

...yes, quite.

SullivanNumismatics · February 22, 2013 8:39AM

It's a more severe form of strike doubling, and isn't worth much, although because of its severity, it probably would sell for $15-$20 on eBay if you posted the same quality of photo you've posted here. You never know though and it could sell for less or more.

19Lyds · February 22, 2013 9:37AM

<< It's a more severe form of strike doubling, and isn't worth much, although because of its severity, it probably would sell for $15-$20 on eBay if you posted the same quality of photo you've posted here. You never know though and it could sell for less or more. >>

Well good. Then there's hope for this one:

Manorcourtman · February 22, 2013 9:45AM

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<< It's a more severe form of strike doubling, and isn't worth much, although because of its severity, it probably would sell for $15-$20 on eBay if you posted the same quality of photo you've posted here. You never know though and it could sell for less or more. >>

Well good. Then there's hope for this one:

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What is doubled here?

19Lyds · February 22, 2013 9:47AM

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<< It's a more severe form of strike doubling, and isn't worth much, although because of its severity, it probably would sell for $15-$20 on eBay if you posted the same quality of photo you've posted here. You never know though and it could sell for less or more. >>

Well good. Then there's hope for this one:

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What is doubled here? >>

The book MAN! Look at the Book! Look at the Fingers!

SullivanNumismatics · February 22, 2013 12:47PM

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joeykoins · February 23, 2013 1:50AM

WoW! 19Lyds, that's pretty cool. I wonder if the other guys know about this? Is that a P or D mint? You should display that photo on the " Believers thread". You know, in the 2009 Formative years/L2 thread. Those guys might have the answer your looking for? Very cool,you might have something there? -joey

Papi · February 23, 2013 2:01AM

Joey, that ain't no doubled die

joeykoins · February 23, 2013 2:03AM

Oh! Thanks Papi. What would you call it? -joey

Never mind,I see your answer,thanks! Still pretty awesome,19Lyds!

19Lyds · February 23, 2013 4:59AM

<< WoW! 19Lyds, that's pretty cool. I wonder if the other guys know about this? Is that a P or D mint? You should display that photo on the " Believers thread". You know, in the 2009 Formative years/L2 thread. Those guys might have the answer your looking for? Very cool,you might have something there? -joey

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It's a P mint and was examined by Billy Crawford (before our big disagreement), John Wexler and James Wiles.

Billy reported the following:

"(1) 2009 1c Formative Years DDR?: Detailed examination under a stereoscope reveals what you are seeing is what I call chatter doubling also sometimes referred to a bounce doubling. This occurs during the striking process and is not a genuine doubled die. I can easily see massive shearing on the right upper book cover edge to include deep cutting into the coin that continues to extend into and all the way across the book binding (spine). Additionally, this shearing is also readily visible on the thumb and shearing can also be seen cutting across directly below the shirt sleeve of the left upper arm (viewers right). A couple of very prominent die markers are on the coin, one being a long die crack that extends on the left forearm. I highly suspect that you probably could go back to the same rolls this coin came from and find that exact same die crack on the forearm and that coin would appear normal."

To which John and James concurred.

19Lyds · February 23, 2013 5:00AM

<< Joey, that ain't no doubled die

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Neither isd the OP's coin............which was the reason for the post.

seanq · February 23, 2013 6:22AM

<< 

<< WoW! 19Lyds, that's pretty cool. I wonder if the other guys know about this? Is that a P or D mint? You should display that photo on the " Believers thread". You know, in the 2009 Formative years/L2 thread. Those guys might have the answer your looking for? Very cool,you might have something there? -joey

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It's a P mint and was examined by Billy Crawford (before our big disagreement), John Wexler and James Wiles.

Billy reported the following:

"(1) 2009 1c Formative Years DDR?: Detailed examination under a stereoscope reveals what you are seeing is what I call chatter doubling also sometimes referred to a bounce doubling. This occurs during the striking process and is not a genuine doubled die. I can easily see massive shearing on the right upper book cover edge to include deep cutting into the coin that continues to extend into and all the way across the book binding (spine). Additionally, this shearing is also readily visible on the thumb and shearing can also be seen cutting across directly below the shirt sleeve of the left upper arm (viewers right). A couple of very prominent die markers are on the coin, one being a long die crack that extends on the left forearm. I highly suspect that you probably could go back to the same rolls this coin came from and find that exact same die crack on the forearm and that coin would appear normal."

To which John and James concurred. >>

To bring this back around to the OP's coin, did John, James or Billy say anything about the bouncing being repetitive for several strikes? In other words, if a die was prone to this sort of chattering, would it do so after every strike, producing a repeatable error? There are enough of those 1994 halves around with the doubling pictured in the OP that I suspect the defect in the striking equipment produced multitudes of coins with the same basic appearance.

Sean Reynolds

1994 TDO Kennedy

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