Appears to be VF details, but that is a pretty big hit on the top of the coronet and the star above it (at 12:00). Given the value and availability of the 1912-S, pretty sure it will get a problem grade.
The sharpness grade is Fine-15, but it has a nasty hit on the 7th star which would make it "genunine" or "no grade" piece. It's too bad, but it's one of the reasons why these coins are so tough in the middle grades between Good and Choice AU.
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I don't think it's sharp enough to get you VF20, but it looks better than most F12's that I've seen. I'd save this coin for one of those coin shows where an on-sight grader could tell you if they think it'll return "Damaged" or "genuine" or "no grade." I suppose it's even possible that a grading company would knock the "damaged"/"nograde" status and give you a lower grading ("F-12") instead? I've only heard about that practice, but I'm not sure if the TPG companies do it, and if so, when, how, why, etc.
<< <i>No Question VF details in my opinion. 12-S's are always weaker than the other dates! >>
I might lean towards VF-20 as well, but I've seen this date receive a F-15 with similar detail. The word LIBERTY is usually strong on the 12-s, but the hair, stars, etc. are very mushy. I like a VF-20 12-s to have a hint of hair separation to the right of Liberty's eye, and this example is a bit too worn in that area.
Is the color really that orangey, or was that just the white balance on the camera being off a bit?
The apparent rim contact at about 2:00 on the obverse (near star #3) doesn't quite seem enough to warrant a no-grade, perhaps, especially if it isn't really there and is just an artifact of the photography. You've got some definite hits on star # 1 and the top of the coronet, though.
Taking all that into account, I'd say it's not too bad ... if it is in fact greyer in color and not that orangey-gold.
Edit- BillJones called it "the 7th star". I guess we're counting differently. I was starting at 12:00 and proceeding clockwise. I now remember that this goes against convention. Star #7 it is. Anyway, you know what we meant. The star at the top.
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Looks to be Fine 15- not my series
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Given the value and availability of the 1912-S, pretty sure it will get a problem grade.
I think F15 seems reasonable- I would think the obverse needs alittle more detail in the hair to get in the VF range.
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I don't think it's sharp enough to get you VF20, but it looks better than most F12's that I've seen. I'd save this coin for one of those coin shows where an on-sight grader could tell you if they think it'll return "Damaged" or "genuine" or "no grade." I suppose it's even possible that a grading company would knock the "damaged"/"nograde" status and give you a lower grading ("F-12") instead? I've only heard about that practice, but I'm not sure if the TPG companies do it, and if so, when, how, why, etc.
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<< <i>No Question VF details in my opinion. 12-S's are always weaker than the other dates! >>
I might lean towards VF-20 as well, but I've seen this date receive a F-15 with similar detail. The word LIBERTY is usually strong on the 12-s, but the hair, stars, etc. are very mushy. I like a VF-20 12-s to have a hint of hair separation to the right of Liberty's eye, and this example is a bit too worn in that area.
It's a close call.
Is the color really that orangey, or was that just the white balance on the camera being off a bit?
The apparent rim contact at about 2:00 on the obverse (near star #3) doesn't quite seem enough to warrant a no-grade, perhaps, especially if it isn't really there and is just an artifact of the photography. You've got some definite hits on star # 1 and the top of the coronet, though.
Taking all that into account, I'd say it's not too bad ... if it is in fact greyer in color and not that orangey-gold.
Edit- BillJones called it "the 7th star". I guess we're counting differently. I was starting at 12:00 and proceeding clockwise. I now remember that this goes against convention. Star #7 it is. Anyway, you know what we meant. The star at the top.
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