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Duke9163Duke9163 Posts: 30
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Im wondering if these are circulated or just weaker strikes? Thanks in advance

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sorry for the poor pics, im still learning how to take photos

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    Duke9163Duke9163 Posts: 30
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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,431 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>image >>



    This one looks fake to me.

    I could be wrong but the date numerals look very weird.
    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
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    Duke9163Duke9163 Posts: 30
    they all weigh 26.8 grams
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    daOnlyBGdaOnlyBG Posts: 1,060 ✭✭


    << <i>they all weigh 26.8 grams >>


    They can still be fake- getting the proper weight down should not be too difficult for a counterfeiter. I'm more worried about the shape of the lady's head- it seems a lot fatter than the common obverse head. I'll let others give you a better analysis of it, though.
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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,431 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The first and third one has a 'Jay Leno' chin.

    Maybe it's just the pictures, but I'm a little confused with these four.
    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,790 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't think they're fake. The pictures were taken on an angle, cropped, and pasted to a white background, They're being not round is messing with your perception of the coins. The toning looks OK, too, and if they were bad, that would imply that counterfeiters are getting good at AT'ing stuff.
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    stealerstealer Posts: 4,039 ✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>image >>



    This one looks fake to me.

    I could be wrong but the date numerals look very weird. >>


    It looks genuine. Mix angled photography and heavy toning and you get some weird results.
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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,431 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I don't think they're fake. The pictures were taken on an angle, cropped, and pasted to a white background, They're being not round is messing with your perception of the coins. The toning looks OK, too, and if they were bad, that would imply that counterfeiters are getting good at AT'ing stuff. >>



    I agree the toning does look authentic.

    It's just the Jay Leno chin and the wonky numerals that have me scratching my head.
    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,038 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They look real to my eyes and the first one is AU58 or so.
    Second might be AU or MS, not sure.

    Grading these from these pics is almost a stab in the dark.

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    MICHAELDIXONMICHAELDIXON Posts: 6,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They're authentic even down to the "Jay Leon" chin! image That is the first time I have ever heard that used for Miss Liberty! IMO they appear to have been improperly stored and toned there.
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    Duke9163Duke9163 Posts: 30
    thanks guys
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    Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why anyone would want to counterfeit an 84-O, in AU condition, and add toning to it, is beyond me!! image

    They all appear AU to me.
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    nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,905 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Why anyone would want to counterfeit an 84-O, in AU condition, and add toning to it, is beyond me!! image

    They all appear AU to me. >>



    My thoughts as well!

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    WTCGWTCG Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭
    Definitely circulated if not fake. The 1921 looks better but is still circulated.
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