Two 1944-S 50C MS66 sold at Heritage

coinsarefun · January 13, 2013 2:10PM

Both are PCGS, one sells for over 4 times the other.

Would anyone like to comment?

I have my opinion but will refrain for now.

One brings $587 with juice

The other brings $2,585.00 with juice.

stealer · January 13, 2013 2:13PM

I would say the second coin is 4 times nicer than the first one...if not moreso. Honestly, I can't even see the first coin being a 65, especially with the splotchy toning.

Edit: the first coin is a 66?

I thought it was bad for a gem...

mkman123 · January 13, 2013 2:19PM

I see some blue toning and a sticker....winnah!!!

sniocsu · January 13, 2013 2:24PM

Wow...

coinsarefun · January 13, 2013 2:25PM

One sold in December for $1880....no sticker

Justacommeman · January 13, 2013 2:25PM

I wouldn't have interest in coin 1 at any price. It isn't for me. Coin 2 I find interesting and understand the price jump from coin 1.

This 44-S I paid a lot more then coin 2. A lot more. Tough to photo but this is pretty awesome in hand. MJ

stealer · January 13, 2013 2:28PM

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Wow, now that is nice.

coinsarefun · January 13, 2013 2:29PM

Lets try looking at this in a slightly different way.....take away the toning premium......for me to say that is funny...lol but lets do that for giggles.

Lets look at a Walker and judge it like we would a SLQ or Merc dime. Maybe even a Franklin.

Justacommeman · January 13, 2013 2:31PM

<<Lets look at a Walker and judge it like we would a SLQ or Merc dime. Maybe even a Franklin.>>

What are these things you speak of?

MJ

Justacommeman · January 13, 2013 2:34PM

<< Lets try looking at this in a slightly different way.....take away the toning premium......for me to say that is funny...lol but lets do that for giggles.

Lets look at a Walker and judge it like we would a SLQ or Merc dime. Maybe even a Franklin. >>

I'm not sure you can take away the toning premium. If all coins looked the same then yes for one to sell at 4X the price in the same perceived grade would be weird. There is more to pricing then grade, strike and mintage.

MJ

coinsarefun · January 13, 2013 2:35PM

<< <<Lets look at a Walker and judge it like we would a SLQ or Merc dime. Maybe even a Franklin.>>

What are these things you speak of?

MJ >>

How do we grade these coins.....besides the obvious eye appeal, toning and luster?

stealer · January 13, 2013 2:38PM

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<< <<Lets look at a Walker and judge it like we would a SLQ or Merc dime. Maybe even a Franklin.>>

What are these things you speak of?

MJ >>

How do we grade these coins.....besides the obvious eye appeal, toning and luster? >>

Bag marks and hits, and the first coin has plenty of both.

bestclser1 · January 13, 2013 2:38PM

Eye appeal!

coinsarefun · January 13, 2013 2:45PM

<< 

<< Lets try looking at this in a slightly different way.....take away the toning premium......for me to say that is funny...lol but lets do that for giggles.

Lets look at a Walker and judge it like we would a SLQ or Merc dime. Maybe even a Franklin. >>

I'm not sure you can take away the toning premium. If all coins looked the same then yes for one to sell at 4X the price in the same perceived grade would be weird. There is more to pricing then grade, strike and mintage.

MJ >>

Your right MJ.
I think I phrased it wrong. I might be making the obvious too complicated as well.
Lets say.....BESIDES the toning premium....why so much of a price difference?

Now I am also assuming this coin was purchased by a Walker guy as he would be able to pick it up right away.

magikbilly · January 13, 2013 2:48PM

I'll play - it is late. Some missed variety or other such thing?

Eric

Justacommeman · January 13, 2013 3:09PM

<< 

<< 

<< Lets try looking at this in a slightly different way.....take away the toning premium......for me to say that is funny...lol but lets do that for giggles.

Lets look at a Walker and judge it like we would a SLQ or Merc dime. Maybe even a Franklin. >>

I'm not sure you can take away the toning premium. If all coins looked the same then yes for one to sell at 4X the price in the same perceived grade would be weird. There is more to pricing then grade, strike and mintage.

MJ >>

Your right MJ.
I think I phrased it wrong. I might be making the obvious too complicated as well.
Lets say.....BESIDES the toning premium....why so much of a price difference?

Now I am also assuming this coin was purchased by a Walker guy as he would be able to pick it up right away. >>

I'm guessing you are hinting at a trumpet tail S or a 005 RPM. I'm in China on an extremely slow server and can't access Heritage without much pain and suffering. I made the mistake of opening up The PennyLady's Show Report and I almost brought all of China to it's knees.

MJ

nwcoast · January 13, 2013 3:29PM

Maybe it's just my tired eyes but I'm thinking that coin has has a weaker strikebin addition to the blotchy toning.
This date/mm is known for its weak strikes though- i've been told when the forum was giving mine the 'go-over'.
Coin two does have some tics in the skirt that aten't spectacular... So, I'm thinking it's toning/strike and green bean... and to top it off.....
Just plain old eye appeal... Am I missing something? A DDO perhaps?

Justacommeman · January 13, 2013 3:41PM

<< Maybe it's just my tired eyes but I'm thinking that coin has has a weaker strikebin addition to the blotchy toning.
This date/mm is known for its weak strikes though- i've been told when the forum was giving mine the 'go-over'.
Coin two does have some tics in the skirt that aten't spectacular... So, I'm thinking it's toning/strike and green bean... and to top it off.....
Just plain old eye appeal... Am I missing something? A DDO perhaps? >>

This particular issue was struck by a mouse rather then a moose. Strike is always an issue on the 44-S. You are not wrong is your observation although with Steph you never know what side of the boat she is fishing off of and what she is after

MJ

coinsarefun · January 13, 2013 3:47PM

<< 

<< Maybe it's just my tired eyes but I'm thinking that coin has has a weaker strikebin addition to the blotchy toning.
This date/mm is known for its weak strikes though- i've been told when the forum was giving mine the 'go-over'.
Coin two does have some tics in the skirt that aten't spectacular... So, I'm thinking it's toning/strike and green bean... and to top it off.....
Just plain old eye appeal... Am I missing something? A DDO perhaps? >>

This particular issue was struck by a mouse rather then a moose. Strike is always an issue on the 44-S. You are not wrong is your observation although with Steph you never know what side of the boat she is fishing off of and what she is after

MJ >>

I must admit you are right MJ and nwcoast you nailed it. This is an instance where buying the coin and not plastic makes you a winna'

And to think MJ.....I get accused of being shallow and just a self promoting bullion collector

Thanks everyone for playing

coinsarefun · January 13, 2013 3:48PM

btw....here is a good pictorial

magikbilly · January 13, 2013 4:14PM

It was strike? I thought that was a given for this one. Forest, trees etc.. Ah well

Eric

nwcoast · January 13, 2013 4:33PM

Though I hate to throw cold water on this playful exercise...
Seeing and studying the photos side by side has me thinking that the less expensive coin actually has the superior strike!

Check out the areas right below the breast plates.... Looking at them separately and back and forth had me concentrating on different areas.
Fun, interesting and thought provoking thread!
It's a given that the lighting has more contast in photo one as well.

magikbilly · January 13, 2013 5:34PM

<< Though I hate to throw cold water on this playful exercise...
Seeing and studying the photos side by side has me thinking that the less expensive coin actually has the superior strike!

Check out the areas right below the breast plates.... Looking at them separately and back and forth had me concentrating on different areas.
Fun, interesting and thought provoking thread!
It's a given that the lighting has more contast in photo one as well. >>

Hello

I thought so too for a moment but look at the highest skirt lines, deepest in the die; the first coin is flat there and also look right under the breast plate you mentioned.

Eric

nwcoast · January 13, 2013 9:09PM

<< 

<< Though I hate to throw cold water on this playful exercise...
Seeing and studying the photos side by side has me thinking that the less expensive coin actually has the superior strike!

Check out the areas right below the breast plates.... Looking at them separately and back and forth had me concentrating on different areas.
Fun, interesting and thought provoking thread!
It's a given that the lighting has more contast in photo one as well. >>

Hello

I thought so too for a moment but look at the highest skirt lines, deepest in the die; the first coin is flat there and also look right under the breast plate you mentioned.

Eric >>

Yes indeed... Thanks Eric. That was the area I was concentrating on when I first posted my comments... Thanks for the clarification.. Interesting Comparisons!!!

supertooth · January 13, 2013 10:22PM

The second coin is far superior to the first IMHO. That first coin doesn't belong in a 66 holder as far as I can tell.

Whether that second coin is worth that kind of money?? Beauty is ALWAYS in the eye of the beholder. Bob [supertooth]

halfhunter · January 13, 2013 11:08PM

The brown, splotchy, toning on the first coin looks a lot like dip residue to me.

HH

roadrunner · January 14, 2013 1:44AM

First coin has a very scuffy right obv field, weaker strike, weaker luster, mottled/unappealing toning, worse overall eye appeal, and no stickie.

They appear to be one grade apart. Not much of a contest.

crypto79 · January 14, 2013 2:51AM

<< First coin has a very scuffy right obv field, weaker strike, weaker luster, mottled/unappealing toning, worse overall eye appeal, and no stickie.

They appear to be one grade apart. Not much of a contest. >>

I respectfully disagree, coin one appears to my eyes to have better luster and strike. We agree of the rest of the assessment.

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Two 1944-S 50C MS66 sold at Heritage

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