Not happy about PCGS... 3 of my coins did not cross

candy2012mustang · January 3, 2013 11:38AM

Three of my coins did not cross into PCGS Secure Plus. Not happy about it, I really wanted my whole YSK $1 set in Secure Plus..

I dont think I will grade any more coins at PCGS. These are some of the nicest YSK dollars for the assigned grades - I thought they would upgrade..

Only 1 coin out of 4 crossed. What a joke.

1. 1914 triangle yuan NGC MS62 - DNC at ms62. One of the nicest YSK dollars I have seen - Great luster and amazing toning.

2. 1920 DDO NGC MS62 - DNC at ms62.

3. 1921 "T" NGC MS61 - DNC at ms61.

Jinx86 · January 3, 2013 12:15PM

mind showing the coin that crossed?

Zohar · January 3, 2013 12:42PM

Indeed dissapointing. I had somewhat better ratios yet was very dissapointed with the outcome given none that upgraded LINK

candy2012mustang · January 3, 2013 12:49PM

The "crossover special" is not so special.

Here is the one that crossed, although the website says "No grade assigned". It was a NGC F12 (It is a rare variety) - I put minimun cross grade at VG8..

JCMhouston · January 3, 2013 1:24PM

From the images looks like they were a little tough on those.

WorldTypeSet · January 3, 2013 2:01PM

Perhaps you should be unhappy with NGC.

From the pics, the coins do look very nice ... good eye appeal, minimal hits, and strong lustre ... perhaps a little too nice for the NGC assigned MS62 and MS61 grades. When you get these back in hand, look very closely for any breaks in the lustre or rubs in the fields. If there are any, I'd guess PCGS came up with AU58 grades, while NGC may have given them a mintstate grade based on the other strengths.

marcmoish · January 3, 2013 11:58PM

Perhaps you should be unhappy with NGC.

From the pics, the coins do look very nice ... good eye appeal, minimal hits, and strong lustre ... perhaps a little too nice for the NGC assigned MS62 and MS61 grades. When you get these back in hand, look very closely for any breaks in the lustre or rubs in the fields. If there are any, I'd guess PCGS came up with AU58 grades, while NGC may have given them a mintstate grade based on the other strengths.

so totally agree!

7over8 · January 4, 2013 1:36AM

The coins pictured look fully unc - you are correct candy2012mustang about being upset with the outcome

It appears PCGS did not get these right.

Fully unc coins can have frost breaks but not "rub" or wear. Those who have previously commented that frost breaks warrant AU grades are completely incorrect. If you have any of these coins that are in PCGS AU holders I'll buy them all day long. Didnt think so.

Beautiful coins..... and you can be sure that NGC got it right - they have a stronger World department anyway.

TwoKopeiki · January 4, 2013 6:38AM

They were pretty tough on these. First one you posted is a very nice example for the series.

MacCrimmon · January 4, 2013 9:47AM

With the benefit of 20-20 hind sight and not being able to grade from an image, my guesses as to PCGSs subjective opinions are:

1. Artificially toned, possibly to hide hairlines or surface cleaning.

2. lighter cleaning / also dipped (see reverse remnants).

3. heavier cleaning / possibly just simply AU58.

In my experience, most coins graded MS61/62 ATS, could very easily be graded as AU58, even by them on a second examination.

That said, it would be nice if PCGS gave reasons for each of their DNCs, regardless of the original grade from ATS.

coinkat · January 4, 2013 10:14PM

I would rather be on the same playing field and see the coins in hand first.

They do look attractive- especially the first one. I do think these are held to a very strict standard by NGC and PCGS.

Now was there a charge for the non-crossovers?

wybrit · January 4, 2013 10:27PM

If it was a world crossover special, you only lost out on shipping/handling both ways. I've had similar results in some submissions. I've been surprised both ways, with some crossing unexpectedly when I gave them no chance and others I thought were sure-fire not crossing at all.

Just think what could have happened if you had cracked them out and gotten burned with BBs or lower grades - and been stuck with the grading fees. Mac's second to last comment is also very true.

On rare occasions, I have been given reasons for DNC - usually "questionable color."

STLNATS · January 5, 2013 1:39AM

Well, you know the old saying, buy the plastic and not the coin....

mkman123 · January 5, 2013 8:45AM

I like those just fine in Ngc holders

SYRACUSIAN · January 5, 2013 8:07PM

Without seeing them in hand, it's impossible to express an affirmative opinion.

However, I tend to agree with PBRat and Mac, especially , when he mentions the reasons for which your most attractive coin (the first one) might have indeed been cleaned some time ago, and that if they were as nice and choice as they show in the images, they should have all gotten higher NGC grades to begin with. If hypothetically, all 4 coins were worthy of crossing, one of them would have DNCed, as per D. Hall's own admission on the subject and the ratio that DNCs. The ratio here is much higher, because PCGS has decided to be very strict on cleaning issues, and to not give extra points for eye appeal. It is again, lack of consistency from PCGS that bothers me the most.

Not happy about PCGS... 3 of my coins did not cross

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