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Critique this 1845 quarter grade/look good or bad

fastfreddiefastfreddie Posts: 2,978 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    coinlieutenantcoinlieutenant Posts: 9,329 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd say AU53 and it looks natural to me...

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    commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,102 ✭✭✭
    Looks good to me. AU53, shot 55.

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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No problem coin au55 maybe au58 with nice die cracks.
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    MilkmanDanMilkmanDan Posts: 3,768 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I give it a solid B. Nothing amazing but I think it has some eye appeal and I've seen many worse looking coins.
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    rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I had told Freddie I thought it had AU58 details previously, though the couple of circulation lines in the fields could net it to AU55.
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    ajmanajman Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭
    It looks like a beautiful original example to me. I'd say AU55.
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    LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice looking coin but that shadow in the right obverse field might be evidence of a spot cleaning or rubbing to hide the scratches there. This one would be a toss up IMO.

    Is it in a old ANACS holder?
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    L1ncolnF4nL1ncolnF4n Posts: 153
    Looks natural and AU-55 to me.
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    fastfreddiefastfreddie Posts: 2,978 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Is it in a old ANACS holder? >>



    yes, it is - AU55.

    The reason I posted this is PCGS does not like the color and has been returned for questionable color on more than once occasion from a crossover submission.

    I like it and feel it's original but was curious on what others felt before I revealed the details. Seems like everyone else likes it too.

    Thanks for the feedback!
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    BaseballAbsBaseballAbs Posts: 2,621 ✭
    I really like it!
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    ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,490 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice repunched date! 5 over 5, correct? I'd have to see the color in hand to make a judgement. I like it regardless!
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    fastfreddiefastfreddie Posts: 2,978 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I was trying to reframe from saying anything about the color but when I view the surfaces of the obv I say two types of toning, th edarker shade of blue on the top left quadrant doesn't seem like it belongs with the rest of the coin's toning, and it is the prettiest aspect of the coin's toning imho. or is this just my screen playing tricks with my eyes? >>



    The picture is very accurate to the way the coin actually looks in hand except that it has tons of luster and cartwheel. I have never seen AT look like this.

    Yes, Chris 5 over 5 with really great die cracks as Doubleagle59 pointed out. My last submission I sent it under the Secure tier with a minimum 50 grade and paid the attribution fee too but that was refunded as it failed once again.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,825 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice original AU55. Definitely a keeper.

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    DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭
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    joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,811 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks good to me. AU53, shot 55.

    -Paul >>



    agreed
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    MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,192 ✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a nice mid-level AU coin to me.
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,983 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A nice coin that I would grade AU-55 with a shot at AU-58.
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    hchcoinhchcoin Posts: 4,843 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like the color and I like the coin. The color reminds me of a summer night when the sun is setting and you get that blue and orange look. Looks like Liberty is looking up into a darker night sky with the stars. Very cool.
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,374 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I had one similarly toned 1866 ANACS AU55 quarter come back the same way. They wouldn't grade it due to QT. That particular coin was misgraded due the weak center strike as it
    was a no brainer MS63 with full field luster. I ended up selling the coin to Heritage in the Anacs AU55 holder for 61-62 money. PCGS is probably leery of some of these toned ANACS
    coins. Can't win them all. I like the look of this 1845 AU55 but can't say for sure it's NT.
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    StuartStuart Posts: 9,831 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When I evaluate a coin, I'm a proponent of Descriptive Grading as per Jim Halperin's Determining a Coin Grade, not just assigning a Numerical Grade.

    Here's an example for your attractive 1845 Quarter: Overall Grade: Attractive and Eye Appealing AU-53 (Shot AU-55) - I tend to consistently grade conservatively...

    1. Preservation State: Lots of remaining Mint Luster in protected areas of fields & devices on both obverse & reverse with minimal wear on high points.
    2. Strike: Well-Struck with full radial line definition in all obv stars & eagle's talons & feathers on rev
    3. Luster: Strong Mint Luster where present in protected areas of fields & devices
    4. Eye Appeal: Very attractive lustrous coin with pretty bronze toning (some peripheral blue on obv), with no major distracting marks except for a few hairline scratches in right obv field

    Stuart

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    sniocsusniocsu Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭
    AU and a beautiful coin!
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    tydyetydye Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭
    Looks good to me AU55

    I like Stuarts descriptive grading
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    stealerstealer Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭✭
    53, reverse is nicer but the obverse holds it down.
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    FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 4,270 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's been dipped since 1845 but the retoning looks much better than some.
    Nice clean fields, no major distractions.
    I say enjoy it for what it is.

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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No one in the world can tell you either way if it's 100% NT or AT.

    But I should add 99% of us should vote 100% market acceptable.

    Not grading this type of coin (as 'questionable toning') in my opinion, is going a bit too far.
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,374 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is the same look that hundreds of seated coins in the Evergreen collection had.
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    jhdflajhdfla Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭
    I like the coin as an AU 55 and I'd say the color is NT going by the single image you provided.
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    fastfreddiefastfreddie Posts: 2,978 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I like the coin as an AU 55 and I'd say the color is NT going by the single image you provided. >>



    I could try and take another but know I could not improve on Todd's quality.
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    jhdflajhdfla Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭
    All that was visible to me early this morning was a picture of the obverse. Todd's images are excellent. There are very few people that can approach the quality of his photographs.
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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,241 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU50 obverse/AU55 reverse details. Probably cleaned long ago and now retoned.
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    MoldnutMoldnut Posts: 3,116 ✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a beautiful AU53 1845/5 to me. Yes, it looks like a second toning but these often make it into a holder. On a side note, I seem to find way more of the 1845/5 than the normal date coins.
    Derek

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    BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,941 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you really believe in it, crack it and send it in. Your chances of it grading are much higher raw than as a crossover. Its also OK to enjoy it as-is. Personally, I like it and would see it as an AU-53, but that's not really my series.
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    BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,201 ✭✭✭✭
    I could see NGC giving it a 58, but I think our hosts would call it 55. image

    The wear on Miss Liberty's dress/knees looks pretty deep...

    Also, is that an RPD? I see recutting at the head of the 5...
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    NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 11,051 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU55 as it has too much wear on the legs. I like the color and think it looks NT.
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    ebaybuyerebaybuyer Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭
    the question is ... do YOU like it. you could send it in ten times and finally get it slabbed at the grade you want. but is someone elses opinion that important ? the majority of those here agree that it is a nice original coin, say you have two potential buyers, one is very happy with the look of the coin, praises its originality and willing to pay your asking price, the other calls it cleaned and artificially toned, but willing to take it off your hands for 10c on the dollar. if it were my coin, id side with the first guy
    regardless of how many posts I have, I don't consider myself an "expert" at anything
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    FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,575 ✭✭✭
    There was a couple of years after the ANA sold ANACS to Coin World where silver coins would (after a few years) tone blue/purple always on the top...apparently a
    sulfur compound in the label or adhesive for the label. It's often pretty, and just as natural as old album toning IMHO, but PCGS may not want to cross over a coin that
    they know the color was caused by spending time in a competitor's slab.
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    fastfreddiefastfreddie Posts: 2,978 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>the question is ... do YOU like it. you could send it in ten times and finally get it slabbed at the grade you want. but is someone elses opinion that important ? the majority of those here agree that it is a nice original coin, say you have two potential buyers, one is very happy with the look of the coin, praises its originality and willing to pay your asking price, the other calls it cleaned and artificially toned, but willing to take it off your hands for 10c on the dollar. if it were my coin, id side with the first guy >>



    Oh, make no mistake about it - it's a keeper. I agree with Moldnut's observation that the overdate variety is more widely seen currently.

    I was just a bit puzzled as to the questionable color as I have seen the look before in graded holders. I agree that on a raw submission it may have a better shot. I'm gun shy now to crack it since I sent in a few times with the same results; so I'll enjoy as is. I just wanted to see what other more experienced members felt about it.

    Thanks to everyone and Happy Holidays!!

    Freddie

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    Billet7Billet7 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭
    Beautiful, secondary toning. I think it should holder based on the pics.

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