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Ebay Situation - Would you keep it or send it back
Cougar1978
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This from an actual situation a guy in my coin club expeerienced. He told us a very interesting story over coffee. I think many would keep this to themselves but the urge to brag is human I guess.
You buy a nice PCGS MS69 Gold $5 tenth ounce American Gold Eagle off Ebay for $225.
The coin received is not the coin your bought (different slab number) and you notice a faint spot on it (its obviously inferior to the coin you bid on). Your furious at the seller and neg him.
The seller writes you a nice note and offering an exchange, giving you an address to ship the coin to. He also offers to defray your return shipping cost and says he would like a retraction of the neg when the deal is finished. You return the coin with tracking asking for a nice problem free piece which he promises to provide. A note from the seller says the return coin has not been received. You check the tracking and it says it was refused at the destination as undeliverable. Your wonder what they hay. For whatever reason you get a note from the seller a day later the replacement piece is on the way. A couple days later tracking confirms the replacement piece has arrived and the return piece is on its way back to you as it was deemed by USPS as undeliverable to that POB address. With two days left to remove the neg you pick up both coins and then not only remove the neg and give the guy a glowing positive. The email from the seller confirms that you sent the problem coin to the address instructed and the return package obviously has the correct 4 letter business name. You wonder how would someone give the incorrect business name on the return instructions. About ten days pass, not a peep from the seller and you decide to just simply keep both.
You buy a nice PCGS MS69 Gold $5 tenth ounce American Gold Eagle off Ebay for $225.
The coin received is not the coin your bought (different slab number) and you notice a faint spot on it (its obviously inferior to the coin you bid on). Your furious at the seller and neg him.
The seller writes you a nice note and offering an exchange, giving you an address to ship the coin to. He also offers to defray your return shipping cost and says he would like a retraction of the neg when the deal is finished. You return the coin with tracking asking for a nice problem free piece which he promises to provide. A note from the seller says the return coin has not been received. You check the tracking and it says it was refused at the destination as undeliverable. Your wonder what they hay. For whatever reason you get a note from the seller a day later the replacement piece is on the way. A couple days later tracking confirms the replacement piece has arrived and the return piece is on its way back to you as it was deemed by USPS as undeliverable to that POB address. With two days left to remove the neg you pick up both coins and then not only remove the neg and give the guy a glowing positive. The email from the seller confirms that you sent the problem coin to the address instructed and the return package obviously has the correct 4 letter business name. You wonder how would someone give the incorrect business name on the return instructions. About ten days pass, not a peep from the seller and you decide to just simply keep both.
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<< <i>About ten days pass, not a peep from the seller and you decide to just simply keep both. >>
You're a low life, a thief.
Lance.
returned one.
bob
is a good reason the seller gave you a bogas address?
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<< <i>About ten days pass, not a peep from the seller and you decide to just simply keep both. >>
You're a low life, a thief.
Lance. >>
There are many stories in here about counterfeits or outright theft by scammers. But sometimes a dishonest act of opportunity will take place. I am going to call him and see if the seller realized the loss and contacted him. Certainly then this should trigger a return. Regardless I will strongly urge him to return it.
<< <i>Would you keep it or send it back >>
Only a thief would keep something he knows is not his when he also knows who the rightful owner is.
No way I am going to keep both coins. It is just wrong.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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<< <i>keeping it amounts to theft. >>
I agree with this. He sent you the replacement coin; you owe him back the faulty piece. You were made whole and there is no reason to cheat the seller.
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Doesn't matter the value, it's the principle.
I think I'd skip coffee with that guy in the future.
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<< <i>I would reconsider hanging with the dude. What stuff of yours is he going to find a home at his place for, not paying of course.
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<< <i>keeping it amounts to theft. >>
How so. The buyer attempted to return the original piece but the USPS returned it to him!
I don;t see this as theft until the buyer hears back from the seller with a correct shipping address and then does not return the coin.
The name is LEE!
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<< <i>About ten days pass, not a peep from the seller and you decide to just simply keep both. >>
You're a low life, a thief.
Lance. >>
Just a wee bit harsh since the seller has not responded and the text of the thread indicates that the poster is not the buyer.
Exactly what is the buyer to do since the return address gets forwarded back to him?
The name is LEE!
<< <i>Exactly what is the buyer to do since the return address gets forwarded back to him?
You mean aside from contacting the seller through eBay and asking for confirmation of the correct address? I guess not much else, but it doesn't appear from the story that the buyer bothered to try that.
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He admitted the seller politely contacted him wondering if he had returned the coin. He immediately decided to return it giving the seller tracking. I told him he did the right thing and that he should resist this kind of temptation if it ever occurs in the future. He is a relatively young collector but that is no excuse.
It reminded me of a situation that happened several years ago at my table at a show. It had started as a horrible day. After I had just got set up (hardly any customers in the bourse room and needing a break) I got a bite to eat and a brew at the pub in the hotel and received a horrible threatening phone message from a tax agency on my cell phone. I was shaken by the experience. Later that day, a guy looked at a few coins I showed him and then left. I was busy pricing some stuff and looked up a few minutes later and noticed a box of slabbed coins on one of my cases. I recognized it as belonging to the fellow there previously looking at coins. I immediately picked it up and went around the bourse room looking for him, found him and returned the box to him. He verified the coins were all there and thanked me. I felt very thankful and relieved the episode resulted in the return of his coins. As far as the tax agency I was able to negotiate a payment schedule with them later the following week.
When you take coins to a show be very careful with them. I would keep them in a bag or briefcase not hand carry a slab box. A briefcase that locks is best. Out of sight and out of mind is best. I see people walking into shows with a slab box full of coins to show or trade and I have to wonder what are they thinking when they walk through a parking lot to their car considering the possibility of robbery in the parking lot.
<< <i>This from an actual situation a guy in my coin club expeerienced. He told us a very interesting story over coffee. I think many would keep this to themselves but the urge to brag is human I guess.
You buy a nice PCGS MS69 Gold $5 tenth ounce American Gold Eagle off Ebay for $225.
The coin received is not the coin your bought (different slab number) and you notice a faint spot on it (its obviously inferior to the coin you bid on). Your furious at the seller and neg him.
The seller writes you a nice note and offering an exchange, giving you an address to ship the coin to. He also offers to defray your return shipping cost and says he would like a retraction of the neg when the deal is finished. You return the coin with tracking asking for a nice problem free piece which he promises to provide. A note from the seller says the return coin has not been received. You check the tracking and it says it was refused at the destination as undeliverable. Your wonder what they hay. For whatever reason you get a note from the seller a day later the replacement piece is on the way. A couple days later tracking confirms the replacement piece has arrived and the return piece is on its way back to you as it was deemed by USPS as undeliverable to that POB address. With two days left to remove the neg you pick up both coins and then not only remove the neg and give the guy a glowing positive. The email from the seller confirms that you sent the problem coin to the address instructed and the return package obviously has the correct 4 letter business name. You wonder how would someone give the incorrect business name on the return instructions. About ten days pass, not a peep from the seller and you decide to just simply keep both. >>
The right thing to do is contact the seller thru eBay - I believe it's still possible to get their phone # from them too - and arrange to send to coin back.
Honestly, this is a no-brainer.
<< <i>I'd like the ebay ID of the guy who negs you for sending an "inferior" MS69 1/10 oz. --Jerry >>
He sent a different coin that was spotted. Do you want a spotted coin when you paid for a problem free coin?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>Hope your guy didn't do this. I would contact the seller again and explain that the return shipment was returned as undeliverable. Ask what address to send it to. Then send it, with the appropriate insurance. >>
I agree.
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<< <i>Hope your guy didn't do this. I would contact the seller again and explain that the return shipment was returned as undeliverable. Ask what address to send it to. Then send it, with the appropriate insurance. >>
I agree. >>
But the seller should refund all mailing/insurance costs.
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<< <i>I'd like the ebay ID of the guy who negs you for sending an "inferior" MS69 1/10 oz. --Jerry >>
He sent a different coin that was spotted. Do you want a spotted coin when you paid for a problem free coin? >>
If you're selling multiple similar items, it's always possible to get them mixed up and send out the wrong one. Do you want to sell to someone who would neg you before trying to sort out a problem?
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<< <i>I'd like the ebay ID of the guy who negs you for sending an "inferior" MS69 1/10 oz. --Jerry >>
He sent a different coin that was spotted. Do you want a spotted coin when you paid for a problem free coin? >>
If you're selling multiple similar items, it's always possible to get them mixed up and send out the wrong one. Do you want to sell to someone who would neg you before trying to sort out a problem? >>
I wouldn't neg him and I understand the situation but do you want a spotted coin when you paid for an unspotted coin?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>I wouldn't neg him and I understand the situation but do you want a spotted coin when you paid for an unspotted coin? >>
Of course not. Who would? Nobody here is saying the buyer should be satisfied with getting one, anyway. Would you want to sell something to a buyer who would neg you for a problem before you had a chance to fix it?
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<< <i>I wouldn't neg him and I understand the situation but do you want a spotted coin when you paid for an unspotted coin? >>
Of course not. Who would? Nobody here is saying the buyer should be satisfied with getting one, anyway. Would you want to sell something to a buyer who would neg you for a problem before you had a chance to fix it? >>
Of course not. No eBay seller wants a neg. I also agree that the buyer should want to fix the situation.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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<< <i>About ten days pass, not a peep from the seller and you decide to just simply keep both. >>
You're a low life, a thief.
Lance. >>
Just a wee bit harsh since the seller has not responded and the text of the thread indicates that the poster is not the buyer. >>
Not harsh at all. If "you decide to just simply keep both" then "you are a thief". Obviously this was directed at the buyer, not the OP.
Lance.
<< <i>He should definitely be in contact with the seller to get the original coin returned. No excuse to keep that coin. >>
I agree.
Richard
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I would place the burden back on the seller to fix this mess, because if i send it again and it does not get delivered he will assume i am on the take.
It is refreshing to know everybody here is honest
I sold some things on ebay a while back of low value (under 10 bucks) and sent them on purpose without tracking and delivery confirmation. ( all fit in a regular envelope #10) and only 1 ebayer claimed to have recieved the items sent.
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<< <i>I'd like the ebay ID of the guy who negs you for sending an "inferior" MS69 1/10 oz. --Jerry >>
He sent a different coin that was spotted. Do you want a spotted coin when you paid for a problem free coin? >>
MS69s are generally sold generically with one photo for the lot. If I have 100 of them I put one photo up. This is how it is normally done. If you get a coin you don't like, ask to exchange it. If I accidentally send a bad coin, then I pay the postage.
--Jerry
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<< <i>About ten days pass, not a peep from the seller and you decide to just simply keep both. >>
You're a low life, a thief.
Lance. >>
I agree...another low-life.
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<< <i>Exactly what is the buyer to do since the return address gets forwarded back to him?
You mean aside from contacting the seller through eBay and asking for confirmation of the correct address? I guess not much else, but it doesn't appear from the story that the buyer bothered to try that. >>
You know something? You're right. I failed to "see" that in the original post but after reading and rereading and rereading, I don't see where a contact attempt was made.
The name is LEE!