Victorian Gothic: Proof Strike?
nicholasz219
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This coin blew my shoes off. Is this a super high end business strike or a proof? No grade listed by seller or I missed it being up late and tired. Still, what a beauty.
1847 Vicky: Sick awesome.
1847 Vicky: Sick awesome.
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Well, just Love coins, period.
Ugh
Not for sale (as far as I can tell):
Only a Proof 67
Still not for sale:
Still only a Proof 67
I guess he's (Kairos) selling the highest graded one......I think he/she should have a Forum Giveaway for either of the two at the top.
PCGS PF67+ (up for auction at the Jan 2013 NYINC)
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<< <i>Hi Rob...How do you ID China on this one? Just looks cleaned. >>
Well, the seller is in China.
Ajaan, you have me confused with wybrit. He also has not only an 1851 dated Gothic crown, but a matching 1851 florin.................and he has them minted in gold, silver, bronze, and........................................PLATINUM !!!
Well, just Love coins, period.
Now I see several red flags:
No grade listed for a coin that should easily be slabbed if for tradeability/selling reasons;
Why isn't a coin of this caliber slabbed when every other coin of this type and quality normally would be from my experience of looking at higher end stuff and secretly pining for it;
The fact that the coin is coming from China is buried in the shipping section and is not prominent underneath the seller name like most people's id's are listed;
The aforementioned possibly dipped look;
And the fact that I don't know these coins very well except for that I love the design and that I want one, sooner rather than later.
Mac, the three Gothic crowns you posted are fantastic. I don't think I can ever stop collecting coins because as soon as I might get bored following one avenue of collecting, here comes something like this which riles me up again.
Still curious as to how to distinguish a dipped coin. Any information will be helpful.
<< <i>Hi Rob...How do you ID China on this one? Just looks cleaned. >>
It has the dot by the first datal C identified by seuk on Predecimal, also the shields all have their own raised circular blobs, the crown jewels are not clearly defined. It's the reverse which raises the greatest suspicion because if you look carefully the number of raised blobs is well into double figures which is far too many.
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<< <i>Hi Rob...How do you ID China on this one? Just looks cleaned. >>
It has the dot by the first datal C identified by seuk on Predecimal, also the shields all have their own raised circular blobs, the crown jewels are not clearly defined. It's the reverse which raises the greatest suspicion because if you look carefully the number of raised blobs is well into double figures which is far too many. >>
Rob, I take it that the 'dot by the datal C' is a known c/f marker. In general, these counterfeits also have poor (crumbling) rim definition; look also at the obverse rim from 12k - 1k.
Another tip off to me (usually) of a bogus auction is the protected bidder identities. Ebay already "protects" them, to a degree.
Ebay also automatically conceals the bidder' ID with a random ID, such as,
Member Id: i***e ( 156 ) US $37.00 Dec-06-12 03:50:53 PST
I thought that all of the auctions simply blotted out the majority of each bidder's name as a matter of course on the site now anyway. I guess what may be extraordinary obfuscation was thought of by me as some random new ebay policy.
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I thought that all of the auctions simply blotted out the majority of each bidder's name as a matter of course on the site now anyway. I guess what may be extraordinary obfuscation was thought of by me as some random new ebay policy. >>
Nicholas, you forget that by definition, the majority of collectors are very secretive about their dealings. The first layer of protection, where only two characters,a few stars and the feedback number are shown, has been very easily beaten: I know several people who have lists of collectors alongside their "hidden" ebay id, with their feedback number to avoid confusions, as you often get the same 2 characters in different user IDs (hence the necessity to always keep feedbacks up to date if you enjoy doing such secret ops).
They do that in order to know who won what, where ,how much and whom from. The easiest way to achieve this, is to wait till a certain item that is sold by a seller, is shown in his feedback page, where you will also see the full username of the buyer. To my knowledge, there is no way to get by the private listing layer, to which I've never bid at.
BTW, the first coin whose link you posted , has been removed.
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