if they are you coins, would you be willing to share images of the questionable authenticity with me?
early copper is very high risk for TPG submission, as you see.
even a lot of board members state how they've cracked copper out for their albums only to resubmit and very rarely get them back into graded holders, just brutal. .
That was a major ouch - I sent in 4 recently expecting all 4 to genie just to get them attributed correctly for my heirs in the event something happened to me and 2 of them actualy received grades - guess I should consider myself extremely lucky ( PCGS submission # 4672468 )
What do expect with a batch of EAC?! Those puppies are always tough to get in numerically-graded holders. Even when you think a coin is perfectly original, a TPG somehow deems to be have "environmental damage" or "tooled surfaces".
Trust me - You're not the only one this has happened to.
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Now you can imagine what it was like for us poor saps before the TPGs came along. In fact this is a good example of the need for the emergence of companies like PCGS.
knowing nothing about the submitter and assuming that the PCGS graders were correct in their assessment, i'd say that either the submitter was trying to legitimize some doctored coins or they bought junk that they misjudged. education can be expensive.
If this were a first time submission by a new collector, he's probably looking for a new hobby.
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Although that list is horrific I can tell you from personal experience that early copper one of the most difficult areas to get clean grades from PCGS and NGC. I had a couple of condition census pieces in my collection that were in the reference books as among the finest known for the variety with no reservations that came back in body bags.
Some third party graders are brutal on early copper. I've seen early silver coins that had been cleaned, polished, re-colored or even had graffiti scratched on them that got graded. Many old gold coins have been dipped and stripped, some with significant surface alteration issues, and yet they have grades. It seems that early copper coins can't have anything done to them in contrast.
I have no doubt that the vast majority of the coins that this person submitted were problem pieces. Still, this list might be taken in context. A couple of the coins might not be as bad as they seem.
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Perhaps EAC grading standards are the reason the graders are so tough on early copper now. I get a kick out of looking at heritage auction listings of early copper and seeing how wide the gap is from the grade on the holder and heritage's EAC grades. Once in a blue moon you will find an MS piece where they are close or the same. Perhaps it is time for EAC grading standards...IE net,quality, etc for graded coins.
<< <i>Although that list is horrific I can tell you from personal experience that early copper one of the most difficult areas to get clean grades from PCGS and NGC. I had a couple of condition census pieces in my collection that were in the reference books as among the finest known for the variety with no reservations that came back in body bags.
Some third party graders are brutal on early copper. I've seen early silver coins that had been cleaned, polished, re-colored or even had graffiti scratched on them that got graded. Many old gold coins have been dipped and stripped, some with significant surface alteration issues, and yet they have grades. It seems that early copper coins can't have anything done to them in contrast.
I have no doubt that the vast majority of the coins that this person submitted were problem pieces. Still, this list might be taken in context. A couple of the coins might not be as bad as they seem. >>
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That's a lot of 1/2 cents would love to hear the story behind this bunch.
bob
Granted, I've bought most of my half cents already slabbed... I did make an 1850 MS62BN though (sold raw as an AU). Tougher date in higher grades.
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that is a tough one.
if they are you coins, would you be willing to share images of the questionable authenticity with me?
early copper is very high risk for TPG submission, as you see.
even a lot of board members state how they've cracked copper out for their albums only to resubmit and very rarely get them back into graded holders, just brutal.
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for my heirs in the event something happened to me and 2 of them actualy received grades - guess I should
consider myself extremely lucky ( PCGS submission # 4672468 )
Trust me - You're not the only one this has happened to.
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Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Some third party graders are brutal on early copper. I've seen early silver coins that had been cleaned, polished, re-colored or even had graffiti scratched on them that got graded. Many old gold coins have been dipped and stripped, some with significant surface alteration issues, and yet they have grades. It seems that early copper coins can't have anything done to them in contrast.
I have no doubt that the vast majority of the coins that this person submitted were problem pieces. Still, this list might be taken in context. A couple of the coins might not be as bad as they seem.
<< <i>Although that list is horrific I can tell you from personal experience that early copper one of the most difficult areas to get clean grades from PCGS and NGC. I had a couple of condition census pieces in my collection that were in the reference books as among the finest known for the variety with no reservations that came back in body bags.
Some third party graders are brutal on early copper. I've seen early silver coins that had been cleaned, polished, re-colored or even had graffiti scratched on them that got graded. Many old gold coins have been dipped and stripped, some with significant surface alteration issues, and yet they have grades. It seems that early copper coins can't have anything done to them in contrast.
I have no doubt that the vast majority of the coins that this person submitted were problem pieces. Still, this list might be taken in context. A couple of the coins might not be as bad as they seem. >>
^ What he said.