COUNTERFEIT 2011 ASE......thought I'd share..

AUandAG · October 19, 2012 1:33PM

Bought this little jewel off Ebay HERE.

The title said Silver Plated Copper Round but pic showed a 2011 ASE. So, what the heck, pulled the
trigger and this is what I got. Not marked copy/replica or anything else. Could fool a lot of folks that
aren't up on ASEs. It's MEDAL turn. I think the pics will speak for themselves. Real one is the 2004.
bob

It has a matte finish look to it.

Now for the specs:
Real one is 31.2 grams. FAKE is 32.2 grams (1 gram heavier)
Real one is 40.66 diameter and FAKE is 40.00 diameter (boy that's soo close)
Thickness is 2.99 mm and FAKE is 3.17 mm (slightly thicker)

I don't have a specific gravity set up so that is unknown at this point.

This is really not good for the hobby.

bob

LanceNewmanOCC · October 19, 2012 1:36PM

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the 2011 pictured in the link is obviously not an authentic silver eagle

added: this is why i am so hard on facsimiles of USA coinage. in my opinion it is NOT an area we can afford to allow such lieniency. handbags, shoes yes, coinage not so much.

while the items aren't usually sold as authentic items, it is very easy for someone to do so, or think they've stumbled upon something worth more than they paid

nothing mean intended for the OP

coindeuce · October 19, 2012 1:39PM

Date numeral font is wrong on the fake 2011, and the shield on reverse has no vertical or horizontal fine lines within the shield.

morgansforever · October 19, 2012 1:39PM

Wouldn't of fooled me, shat never ends.
At this rate there will be no hobby, no sellers, no buyers, no TPG's, no nothing.

EDIT: Every single day there are multiple new threads regarding fakes, frauds, thefts etc., and many say it's not a problem, it's been going on for decades.

LanceNewmanOCC · October 19, 2012 1:41PM

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ty for bringing this seller to my attention.

i recently brought my "sellers to watch list" to a new level of organization and am ready for many more unfortunately
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AUandAG · October 19, 2012 1:44PM

The shield is correct. There are no horizontal lines in the real one either. The vertical lines
in the shield might be a tad thin is all.

I bought it knowing it was a fake but was surprised that it did not have copy on it somewhere.
Reeding on the edge is finer and more numerous than the real one. I have not counted the reeds!

bob

LanceNewmanOCC · October 19, 2012 1:49PM

<< I bought it knowing it was a fake but was surprised that it did not have copy on it somewhere.
Reeding on the edge is finer and more numerous than the real one. I have not counted the reeds!

bob >>

should not be legal to sell these, since the outside states 1 oz. silver but is only silver coated copper is VERY misleading.

tyvm for sharing AUandAG

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GrumpyEd · October 19, 2012 2:55PM

I'd think that regardless of the fact that that it's called a silver plated round in the listing that it's still illegal to sell them.
I don't see why a seller would take the risk for a few $.

messydesk · October 19, 2012 2:59PM

<< should not be legal to sell these, since the outside states 1 oz. silver but is only silver coated copper is VERY misleading. >>

They are not just misleading, they are counterfeit. Not legal to sell them. Those crap gold plated "tribute proofs" on TV an in the newspapers are missing the denomination and the fineness. These contain both. Doesn't matter that the seller is saying they're plated. Now that you're done studying it, report it to eBay as a sale of a counterfeit and get your money back. We really should not be putting up with this crap.

AUandAG · October 19, 2012 3:13PM

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<< should not be legal to sell these, since the outside states 1 oz. silver but is only silver coated copper is VERY misleading. >>

They are not just misleading, they are counterfeit. Not legal to sell them. Those crap gold plated "tribute proofs" on TV an in the newspapers are missing the denomination and the fineness. These contain both. Doesn't matter that the seller is saying they're plated. Now that you're done studying it, report it to eBay as a sale of a counterfeit and get your money back. We really should not be putting up with this crap. >>

I was expecting copy but now that it's not marked, he'll get a neg and Ebay will get a phone call. We'll let
them take the guy down.

bob

messydesk · October 19, 2012 3:20PM

<< I was expecting copy but now that it's not marked, he'll get a neg and Ebay will get a phone call. We'll let
them take the guy down. >>

Good. He's been selling these for a while. Plenty of others in his sale history that should also be brought to eBay's attention. In addition to counterfeiting, he's probably also committing some other fraud by selling bullion that is not what it's marked.

derryb · October 19, 2012 3:27PM

ebay prohibits the listing and selling of copy or replica coins even if they are marked as such. File the claim and you will win. Link to the listing would be nice so that we can report his other violations and have them removed. The title along with the pic would have been enough to have it removed by ebay. I report these plated copy coins every time I come across them and ebay always nukes them.

LanceNewmanOCC · October 19, 2012 3:39PM

<< Link to the listing would be nice so that we can report his other violations and have them removed. >>

it is in the OP, but here ya go

i'll be contacting buyers from this link, just so they know that if they sell these items they are putting themselves at risk
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Tdec1000 · October 19, 2012 4:28PM

<< Wouldn't of fooled me, shat never ends.
At this rate there will be no hobby, no sellers, no buyers, no TPG's, no nothing.

EDIT: Every single day there are multiple new threads regarding fakes, frauds, thefts etc., and many say it's not a problem, it's been going on for decades. >>

It has been going on ever since man paid more than face value for a coin.

derryb · October 20, 2012 1:53AM

He has listed another

Reported as counterfeit and a replica in violation of ebay policy on copy coins based on picture and seller's description.

johnny9434 · October 20, 2012 2:40AM

at least the seller stated it was a plated copper round. its shady on the rest of it thou

messydesk · October 20, 2012 1:03PM

<< at least the seller stated it was a plated copper round... >>

Doesn't matter. It is a counterfeit coin and it bears a false marking of bullion content. Reported.

LanceNewmanOCC · October 20, 2012 1:17PM

<< Reported. >>

+1

LanceNewmanOCC · October 20, 2012 1:38PM

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on the subject of counterfeits. i read an article about a factory i think in NJ that was producing counterfeit Heinz ketchup in the upside down plastic bottles and another story on counterfeit polo and lacoste clothing and what to look for in the styles, colors and other details in the products before purchasing. what a ride!

also do me a favor and think twice before purchasing knock-off products are they are extremely unsafe and usually fund things you wouldn't believe.
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ricko · October 21, 2012 3:06AM

Fakes are nasty business..... they hurt the unknowing and harm legitimate business. Cheers, RickO

COUNTERFEIT 2011 ASE......thought I'd share..

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