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1893-S Morgan dollar...Help me out a bit.

crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,068 ✭✭✭✭✭
Take a look at this Morgan here and give me your thoughts. I know it has more than likely been cleaned at some point in time and would not get anything but a body bag because of that fact. But what do ya think it may grade if it were to receive one. Im thinking vf or so. Thanks a bunch for your time and help. Joe

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  • mbogomanmbogoman Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭✭✭
    VF30, if it grades. It's got some rim things going on. For that date/mintmark, I'd love it!
  • tightbudgettightbudget Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭
    25

    There are tons of cleaned 1893-S Morgans in slabs some of which look worse than yours, so don't be surprised if your coin does make it into a holder.
  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,010 ✭✭✭✭✭
    VF30
    When in doubt, don't.
  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,035 ✭✭✭✭
    20-25, the pictures don't make the cleaning look so bad. I think it has a shot at getting into a holder.
  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very much worth submitting even if it ends up VF Details.
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  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭
    VF25
  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,089 ✭✭✭✭✭
    good to go imo......25ish?
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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,932 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Will take a big hit in selling if it's not in plastic. Whether it grades or not get it in a slab!

    I think the rub in front of Miss Lib will make it gennie.

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,836 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not for me

    25 tops if it grades

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  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    A '93-S should be authenticated as genuine whether it grades or not. You'll take a massive haircut trying to sell it raw.
  • 09sVDB09sVDB Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭
    Net VF25
  • sweetwillietsweetwilliet Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭
    I'll go either 25 or 30. Let's call it a net 25 for the cleaning.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,834 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>A '93-S should be authenticated as genuine whether it grades or not. You'll take a massive haircut trying to sell it raw. >>



    Agree---a lot of fakes especially added mintmarks. That coin looks cleaned and retoned. I'd pass on it unless it was really cheap.

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  • The mintmark appears to be the tilted right version so if anything get it graded.
  • HighReliefHighRelief Posts: 3,720 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would say it is around a 25
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,796 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you are a collector who is looking for an 1893-S Morgan, here's a piece of advice. The 1893-S dollar is not a rare coin by any means. When I was dealer, there were guys at the shows, who specialized in them, who would have as many as ten certified examples of the coin in stock at a time in various grades. They were not "high roller" dealers. There is no need to bend over backwards to buy this coin.

    As a collector I would only buy a certified piece in the grade I desired. I would not fool around with a raw coin. There is a die scratch through the "T" in "LIBERTY" that appears are all genuine pieces. That feature is even visible on pieces in AG condition, but you need a 10X glass to see it. Still why go through the hastle? Buy a certified piece in the grade you want. Sometimes something is "bargain priced" and uncertified for a reason, and that reason is usually not to your advantage.
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  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,971 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If you are a collector who is looking for an 1893-S Morgan, here's a piece of advice. The 1893-S dollar is not a rare coin by any means. When I was dealer, there were guys at the shows, who specialized in them, who would have as many as ten certified examples of the coin in stock at a time in various grades. They were not "high roller" dealers. There is no need to bend over backwards to buy this coin.

    As a collector I would only buy a certified piece in the grade I desired. I would not fool around with a raw coin. There is a die scratch through the "T" in "LIBERTY" that appears are all genuine pieces. That feature is even visible on pieces in AG condition, but you need a 10X glass to see it. Still why go through the hastle? Buy a certified piece in the grade you want. Sometimes something is "bargain priced" and uncertified for a reason, and that reason is usually not to your advantage. >>



    I agree with Bill entirely. And even though the '93-S Morgan is only rare in the same vein as a 1909-S VDB cent, still I'd enjoy owning one!
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,068 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This coin was purchased in the mid 70's for $500.00. It has sat in a collection since that time and is now being reevaluated for grading. This is one of many key dates in this collection. Thanks to all for your input, it is appreciated.
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  • UtahCoinUtahCoin Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm in the VF-25ish
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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,419 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There is a die scratch through the "T" in "LIBERTY" that appears are all genuine pieces. That feature is even visible on pieces in AG condition, but you need a 10X glass to see it. Still why go through the hastle?

    Pretty cool that you can see the die scratch in the OP image.
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  • morgansforevermorgansforever Posts: 8,477 ✭✭✭✭✭
    One of the easiest Morgans to authenticate, as only one obverse die was used.
    I'll wager VF25
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  • al410al410 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭✭
    I am in the vf group and I do like the coin.
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    100% original? OK, maybe not.

    I like it, though. Looks pretty nice to me. Even if it were in a "Genuine" holder.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,796 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>There is a die scratch through the "T" in "LIBERTY" that appears are all genuine pieces. That feature is even visible on pieces in AG condition, but you need a 10X glass to see it. Still why go through the hastle?

    Pretty cool that you can see the die scratch in the OP image. >>



    I didn't say that I could see it on the image. I only said that it needs to be there. image BTW on high grade examples it runs above the letter and up into to cap if memory serves, but it's been a while since I've looked at a high grade example since as a collector I'm not a Morgan dollar guy.
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  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,779 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I can see the die indicator in the image, coin is genuine

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