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Have you ever had to edjucate a dealer....???

OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭
Now we all know theres reasons dealers and patrons alike need a drink.....but
have you ever in a nice way or any other way tried to edjucate a dealer when
you knew you were right and they try to argue with ya over it?. Now don't get
me wrong, I'm not bashing dealers here, in fact i've learned a majority of my
knowledge from dealers and most are the greatest, but then again some are'nt.

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  • All the time if they ask but still not nearly as many times as I have been educated by the good ones.
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Many good, some great dealers have helped me along the way. However, the bad few usually get most of the press - as it is with most human activities (i.e lawyers, teachers, kids etc). Cheers, RickO
  • Jinx86Jinx86 Posts: 3,710 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah, how to use the internet to view coin sales past and present. Ebay ended sales and HA, both great easy ways to see prices realized. Hes offered me a job selling full time on ebay for him, but the pay was commission only.
  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275
    Why did you spell "educate" with a "j"


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  • OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Why did you spell "educate" with a "j"


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    Fer guys like youimage

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  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,011 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Many are not educatable in my experience. The simple fact that they are a dealer (cue the organ music and aim the spotlights), while I am a lowly collector (call security and the sanitation crew) means they already know it all, I know nothing, and their mind is a sealed vault against hearing otherwise. It's part of what makes cherrypicking so much fun.
    When in doubt, don't.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,854 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No because many dealers don't appreciate customers that are smarter than them even when the customer is trying to be helpful. It's an ego thing.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • GreeniejrGreeniejr Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭
    Yes but as a dealer I should have known better. My wife and I were in Florence last May and she insisted we go into a coin shop. We were in the touristy part and we go into this hole in the wall shop (like most shops of all kinds are in that area). I quietly look around as I have no intention of buying anything at tourist prices. As I am getting ready to leave I see the old man there struggling with his KM book looking up a US Statue of Liberty Commem set. I take out a piece of paper and write on it .7734 AG. He points to the coin wags his finger then points to me and does the same thing. I then left but I think I offended him.
  • savoyspecialsavoyspecial Posts: 7,311 ✭✭✭✭
    >>Why did you spell "educate" with a "j">>


    Was it an attempt at irony?

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  • OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I will not misspell "educate"
    I will not misspell "educate"
    I will not misspell "educate"
    I will not misspell "educate"
    I will not misspell "educate"
    I will not misspell "educate"
    I will not misspell "educate"
    I will not misspell "educate"
    I will not misspell "educate"
    I will not misspell "educate"

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  • tydyetydye Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭
    That usually goes over as well as correcting your wife
  • DaveGDaveG Posts: 3,535
    Some collectors and dealers are open to being educated and some aren't.

    It's a smart collector who can tell the difference!

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,854 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>That usually goes over as well as correcting your wife >>

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    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,378 ✭✭✭✭✭
    and "are'nt" should be spelled "aren't".

    Sorry for picking apart your spelling, but you are talking about 'educating' someone.
    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)


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    << <i>That usually goes over as well as correcting your wife >>

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  • OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>and "are'nt" should be spelled "aren't".

    Sorry for picking apart your spelling, but you are talking about 'educating' someone. >>



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  • mingotmingot Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭


    << <i>and "are'nt" should be spelled "aren't".

    Sorry for picking apart your spelling, but you are talking about 'educating' someone. >>



    I'll bet you're a lot of fun at parties.

    I almost typed "alot". I'll bet that would have really made your day.

  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,539 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have never educated a dealer when it came to a disagreement etc...BUT, I have come across several that we're interested in learning and I was able to share plenty of information with them when it comes to Mercury Dime Varieties. Education can go both ways and I frequently find myself in the position of educating dealers on varieties. Most are eager to learn.
    "If it's not fun, it's not worth it." - KeyMan64
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  • << <i>Why did you spell "educate" with a "j"


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    It's 'cause nobody learned him how to spell edumacate.
  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,378 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>and "are'nt" should be spelled "aren't".

    Sorry for picking apart your spelling, but you are talking about 'educating' someone. >>



    I'll bet you're a lot of fun at parties.

    I almost typed "alot". I'll bet that would have really made your day. >>



    Yea, itt wood half.
    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,750 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Now we all know theres reasons dealers and patrons alike need a drink.....but
    have you ever in a nice way or any other way tried to edjucate a dealer when
    you knew you were right and they try to argue with ya over it?. Now don't get
    me wrong, I'm not bashing dealers here, in fact i've learned a majority of my
    knowledge from dealers and most are the greatest, but then again some are'nt.

    Steve >>



    Had any number of customers try to educate me in the coin shop. Sometimes they were right, and sometimes they were wrong.

    Unfortunately, the ones who were the most wrong were usually the ones most sure of themselves.

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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When edjucating dealers, it's usually best to start with, "Your a moran" so they now who there dealing with image

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  • If I were to educate dealers when I know more about specific coin than they do, it would become much harder to find deals like an 1896 Puerto Rico dime for 25 cents. Then what would I do?image
    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H.L. Mencken
  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Then what would I do? >>

    A good question, for which there is not a simple answer.

    If you go by what some people here seem to believe, dealers are out to screw you and will do so every chance they get. While the truth is some will (as will some collectors, by the way), not all will and many do treat their customers fairly. So the question is- what kind of dealer are you buying from? Is it someone who does treat you fairly? Someone who has the kind of coins you want to buy? Someone who might be motivated to provide you access to those coins if he knows that you are willing to share information with him that helps him become more educated on topics that he is not an expert on?

    So- what's better? A one-time rip (or cherrypick or whatever you like to call it) or a long term relationship with someone who can help get you coins you want?

    As I said, there is not a simple answer.
  • RaufusRaufus Posts: 6,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes. One B&M dealer told me that my 2008 W buff proof set was just worth spot. Good lord.
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  • SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,111 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Yes but as a dealer I should have known better. My wife and I were in Florence last May and she insisted we go into a coin shop. We were in the touristy part and we go into this hole in the wall shop (like most shops of all kinds are in that area). I quietly look around as I have no intention of buying anything at tourist prices. As I am getting ready to leave I see the old man there struggling with his KM book looking up a US Statue of Liberty Commem set. I take out a piece of paper and write on it .7734 AG. He points to the coin wags his finger then points to me and does the same thing. I then left but I think I offended him. >>






    Random acts of kindness don't go over well with dealers.
    They think you're working them.












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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    Once had a dealer tell me that PCGS slabs with green inserts contained cleaned coins, while those with blue inserts contained original coins.

    Once had a dealer argue with me that wheat cents were made in 1959 while memorial cents weren't made until 1960. He was absolutely hellbent certain of it.




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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,854 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Once had a dealer tell me that PCGS slabs with green inserts contained cleaned coins, while those with blue inserts contained original coins. >>



    Were you trying sell him some green insert slabs at the time?

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    As a dealer, I learn a lot from my customers. Usually they don't realize when they are saying something worth listening to and usually when they think it is a revelation, it isn't. --Jerry
  • Bankerbob56Bankerbob56 Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭
    Yep ....... The Superbird!
    What we've got here is failure to communicate.....

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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,328 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Why did you spell "educate" with a "j"


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    He was trying to spell edjumacate!!image
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  • OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Why did you spell "educate" with a "j"


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    He was trying to spell edjumacate!!image >>



    Actually I believe edjucate is the correct misspelling of the wordimage

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  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,035 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Yes. One B&M dealer told me that my 2008 W buff proof set was just worth spot. Good lord. >>


    Should have let him keep believing that and bought all he had image
  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It seems to me that with enough tact, two decent people might find a way to exchange information between themselves in such a way that each leaves a little smarter and a little more respectful of the other.

    Now, if you're trying to have such a conversation with someone incapable of interacting like that, you're just wasting time.
  • I once had a dealer who was convinced I knew more than he did. Thus he refused to sell me any coins for fear of being cherrypicked.

    I could get my revenge by dropping in at the end of the month when he was trying to raise rent money. He was quite willing to deal and discount then.

    Oh, he did have late 1800's Puerto Rico coins in his junk box.


  • << <i>No because many dealers don't appreciate customers that are smarter than them even when the customer is trying to be helpful. It's an ego thing. >>



    The most perfect answer! Think how much more business humility would get them.
  • LochNESSLochNESS Posts: 4,829 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If I were to educate dealers when I know more about specific coin than they do, it would become much harder to find deals like an 1896 Puerto Rico dime for 25 cents. Then what would I do?image >>


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    If they are selling the coin, it's their responsibility to know all about it. My dealer friends, with whom I do the most business, will sometimes say "I just received this coin and haven't had a chance to look it up yet, but I'll sell it to you for $___" to which it then becomes my responsibility as the buyer to be prepared for this opportunity.

    Remember, luck is when preparedness meets opportunity. If you're looking for deals then ask your dealers to see the newest batch of inventory and hope they haven't had time to do their homework.
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