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NEWP- one for the subset. John Brown Token

JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
I took the opportunity to add this rather macabre piece to my token collection. I've been fascinated with unique pieces to whet my appetite whilst I wait for coins for my main collecting discipline to come in. When this 1859 John Brown remeberance token became available in was a no brainer. This is a rather scarce piece in this condition. It's a MS 65 DPL. I can't find one on record that is finer. As CRO John described.........."this piece is something of a numismatic freak of nature". It's a nice companion for my Jefferson Davis token. A tip of the hat to Broadstruck who was kind enough to provide some great background info while I was researching this piece. I also appreciate John's patience with this deal as I have been traveling like an idiot lately. MJ

Image by MG and I know this HAD to be a challenging coin to capture.
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Jefferson Davis token
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Walker Proof Digital Album
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......

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  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,553 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Nice pick-up! image >>


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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Nice pick-up! image >>


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    Well there are three of us at leastimage

    MJ
    Walker Proof Digital Album
    Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice! Make that four of us, MJ.
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  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Interesting piece, but I like your toned medieval (grote?) coin much better.image
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  • telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very Nice. Congrats.

    RIP Mom- 1932-2012
  • Very Very Nice, and I'm in full agreement with the sentiments diplayed on the tokens.

    The one whom you are missing in this line up is the traitor general himself..... Lee, what a seriously misguided monster. Imho. (distinguished gentleman general, my hiney!)
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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow, those are great. Great condition, great design, great history. image
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>A tip of the hat to Broadstruck who was kind enough to provide some great background info while I was researching this piece. >>



    Your welcome Justacommeman... Glad your digging your newp as the second I saw it I thought it would mate your Jefferson Davis quite well image
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  • Wasn't it Lee who put down the raid at Harper's Ferry?

    Great piece.
    Let's try not to get upset.
  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,758 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I saw this piece and was very tempted to get it.
    Very nice indeed!!

    I am trying to thin the heard and concetrate on
    a final collection, so I backed away. I'm glad it went to someone
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  • DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭
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    Becky
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,761 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great pair!
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • jfoot13jfoot13 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Wasn't it Lee who put down the raid at Harper's Ferry?

    Great piece. >>



    I think a young George Armstrong Custer was in on that
    If you can't swim you better stay in the boat.......
  • erickso1erickso1 Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭
    Very cool MJ.

    Are you going to set them out on the floor and have "fights" like kids would do? image
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,836 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I remember when I visited Harpers Ferry, West Virginia some years ago. It made me cringe when the government sponsored display about this guy portrayed him has a great hero. John Brown was absolutely correct in his condemnation of slavery, but my take on him is just cause, wrong methods.

    John Brown was a domestic terrorist. His goal was to raid the armory, steal guns and then begin a guerilla war with a home base in mountains of (then) Virginia conducted by an army of runaway slaves. Even Brown recognized that his army would need some training, and early on their weapons of choice were to be pikes (spears). The wrong headedness of his raid was shown by the fact that the first casualty of his armed attack was a free African-American who was a baggage handler at the local train station.

    Congratulations on finding such a nice example of this piece in white metal. When I was shopping for mine, I never found one that was that nice in white metal. All of them had suffered the usual problems with material which includes marks, tarnish and corrosion. I finally bought this piece, which is made of brass.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,761 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When were these struck? 1861? Or later?
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,836 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My guess is that they were struck starting in 1860. John Brown was hanged in December of 1859, and became an instant martyr to the emancipation radicals. I think that it would be perfectly logical to assume that this piece was introduced soon after his death.

    When comes to privately issued tokens and coins, the pieces may have been struck over a period of years after the event. This comment applies to a fair number of rare pieces that are listed as Civil War tokens. In some cases other token makers acquired the dies, and sometimes made more examples years later .

    The Sullivan - DeWitt book dates the piece as an 1859 issue, but that does not make sense to me. The events occurred in 1859, but the piece was struck no earlier than the following year.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • AuroraBorealisAuroraBorealis Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very cool piece MJ... Love the design and interesting...Congrats on a great addition in a top condition...

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,761 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>My guess is that they were struck starting in 1860. John Brown was hanged in December of 1859, and became an instant martyr to the emancipation radicals. I think that it would be perfectly logical to assume that this piece was introduced soon after his death.

    When comes to privately issued tokens and coins, the pieces may have been struck over a period of years after the event. This comment applies to a fair number of rare pieces that are listed as Civil War tokens. In some cases other token makes acquired the dies, sometimes years later and mode more examples.

    The Sullivan - DeWitt book dates the piece as an 1859 issue, but that does not make sense to me. The events occurred in 1859, but the piece was struck no earlier than the following year. >>



    The marginal "MARCHING ALONG" makes me think it refers to the line "His soul is marching on" in the song "John Brown's Body." The Wikipedia entry for the song suggests that the song evolved into being in 1861, after the war started, though the origins of the song are rather vague.

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  • OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Stunning NEWP MJ, Congrats image

    Plus its always icing on the cake when BillJones chimes in.
    BTW Bill, I have a suggestion should you choose to choose
    your Title

    Steve
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