Gold Experts - what do you think of this $2.50? OBV now posted.
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As to: Grade, Genuine or Fake, MS or Proof?
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<< <i>A reverse looks too good to be true and it's not slabbed, my gut says whizzed. >>
What? Nothing at all indicates the coin has been whizzed.
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<< <i>A reverse looks too good to be true and it's not slabbed, my gut says whizzed. >>
Can't agree with the whizzed part, if it were it'd have some funky looking luster I'm not seeing. I wouldn't be surprised if it has been wiped before, but my first thought was that it is a proof.
But it has been wiped or something. The luster looks off.
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<< <i>The protected area inside the shield doesn't appear polished so I'd guess no to a proof. >>
Good point, never considered that as a place to look before. Thanks!
The very sharp edge of the rim from 9:00 to 1:00. Does this indicate a proof? Or is this 'sharpness' found on MS coins too?
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<< <i>Another question.....
The very sharp edge of the rim from 9:00 to 1:00. Does this indicate a proof? Or is this 'sharpness' found on MS coins too? >>
it does not indicate a proof. it does however indicate a very strong strike and from my experience EDS coins. I've had mercs and rosies with that little bit going all the way around the edge/rim.
based on seeing that, since you bring it up, makes me think the odds of this being a counterfeit are extremely low.
will you show us the 1901 obverse?
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<< <i>Another question.....
The very sharp edge of the rim from 9:00 to 1:00. Does this indicate a proof? Or is this 'sharpness' found on MS coins too? >>
This is characteristic of counterfeits where the reeding was "broached" by pushing the coin through a cylindrical die to apply the reeding to the edge. I certainly wouldn't condem a coin based on a lousy pic but I would be hesitant to buy it without first performing an in-hand examination since there are too many fakes in this series.
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Luster looks odd but it may just be the photograph. I see no indications of counterfeit.
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"“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)
"I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
I knew it would happen.
I'm no expert but something is just off to my viewing of the images shown.
<< <i>I really think our hosts would send it back as Questionable Authenticity or Code 90.
I'm no expert but something is just off to my viewing of the images shown.
Agree. The design elements look soft and not as sharp as what you would expect to see on an authentic coin.
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Unfortunately for me, I think mine is a Fake.
I'm looking especially at the '0' in the date and there's quite a difference.
"“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)
"I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
This is an NGC Proof....
"“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)
"I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
if we had better images of the coin, especially the fields, we could really offer great opinions
it would really help if you posted links to the full original images, not cropped so we could enlarge them without much pixelation
if you do that, make sure to set your camera to max resolution
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rest of the denticles below the date look out of shape. I say Fake. What is the diameter?
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the stars on the obverse look weak as does much of the lettering on the reverse, especially the "N" in United.
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<< <i>My vote is fake. Just doesn't look right. Normally fakes look too good to be true, and this one strikes me that way.
the stars on the obverse look weak as does much of the lettering on the reverse, especially the "N" in United. >>
I too vote fake. The rims and the denticles just don't look right. The reverse is more convincing that the obverse which might explain we started only with that. I don't own a 1901 quarter eagle, but here is a 1905 for comparison purposes.
<< <i>Thanks to SumoRada for providing a neat overlay of a PCGS ms64 1901 $2.50 and mine.
Unfortunately for me, I think mine is a Fake.
I'm looking especially at the '0' in the date and there's quite a difference.
The zero 0 in yours looks like the inside is straight/oblong from the ones that look authentic with a true oval/egg shape.