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hopefully not posted previously

interesting to say the least
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  • I like the reverse. The obverse ... Liberty is a little hard looking.

    Never seen this before.
    Let's try not to get upset.
  • OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can't say I care for it, sorta like alot of modern day commems


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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TR also didn't care for it. This is Barber's design. Barber didn't care for SG's designs and created this as an alternative. He was also somewhat of an obstructionist in the engraving execution of SG's designs.
  • DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭
    I would like to see the real one. These copies always look bad to me.
    Becky
  • boiler78boiler78 Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The original was struck with a matte proof finish. I normally don't care for matte proofs but in this instance I think the design looks better with a matte finish.
  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭

    The original is a very well executed design and Liberty is very pleasing.
    Although I prefer the Reverse, I think this pattern is a classic.

    The coin shown in the link from an eBay auction is an aboration.
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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,915 ✭✭✭✭✭
    anyone here with pictures of the real one?

    the obverse is disgusting. It can't look like that. It just can't.
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,820 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The face on this gold round is crude and unattractive while the one on Barber's pattern is more subtle and attractive. The reverse on the gold round also lacks in subtlety. As another poster said, I'm not usually a fan of the Matte Proof surface, but for this design it looks better without the mirrored fields. Nevertheless, the die sinker who made this gold round copied the design, but he missed the fine points of the Barber's work.

    I found a picture on "Coin Facts," but I'm not sure that our hosts would be happy with me if I produced it here.
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  • Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭
    The original in the SI, much better as a sandblast proof.
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  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The original is attractive, but looks like a period French Jeton to me. Not like a US coin. Nothing wrong with that, it just doesn't have that special something.

    This remake, on the other hand, is dreadful.
    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
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  • boiler78boiler78 Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Aegis3- Thanks for the link to the SI images. I notice they listed the coin as gilt copper which is definitely not the case. This unique pattern is definitely struck in gold.
  • epcjimi1epcjimi1 Posts: 3,489 ✭✭✭


    << <i>This remake, on the other hand, is dreadful. >>



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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,419 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,419 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's the obverse die trial:

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  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,123 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The original is attractive, but looks like a period French Jeton to me. Not like a US coin. Nothing wrong with that, it just doesn't have that special something.

    This remake, on the other hand, is dreadful. >>



    The original is definitely influenced by French designs of the time.

    I don't know who the "Smithsonian" hires to do these remakes, but they could do a lot better.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>The original is attractive, but looks like a period French Jeton to me. Not like a US coin. Nothing wrong with that, it just doesn't have that special something.

    This remake, on the other hand, is dreadful. >>



    The original is definitely influenced by French designs of the time. >>



    The design looks very 19th century to me, both the obverse and the reverse (with the latter being designed in 1891). When did the French start using designs like this? I'm glad TR went with SG. With this design I don't think there would have been a Renaissance of American coinage. That being said, I appreciate it as a pattern and a study in competing designs of the time. One looked forward while the other looked back. It kind of reminds me of Gasparro's SBA coin and Lady Liberty pattern where one was forward-looking and the other was backward-looking.



    << <i>I don't know who the "Smithsonian" hires to do these remakes, but they could do a lot better. >>



    Hiring someone that is more faithful to the original and well-known could make these more collectible. These are basically gold rounds but if they did a better job, I could see better versions gaining more of a following. Does anyone know who makes these?
  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭
    The french design is nicer:

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  • Jinx86Jinx86 Posts: 3,710 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The original is very attractive, Im a fan of the French coins of that time. The Rev is great, well propotioned Liberty for the coin with a very detailed bold eagle. Almost would like to see the design with just the eagle to see how well it would be balanced out on the coin.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The french design is nicer >>



    Thanks for the comparison Steve. It does appear something was lost in the translation from Roty's Marianne. Barber's version bears some similarities to his then current designs which had been running for some time.


  • << <i>The original is attractive, but looks like a period French Jeton to me. Not like a US coin. Nothing wrong with that, it just doesn't have that special something.

    This remake, on the other hand, is dreadful. >>



    The original is nicer than the remake for sure. But it's not much different from the Liberty on all of Barber's other designs; it's just facing the other way and wearing a different hat.

    Reverse is killer.
    Let's try not to get upset.
  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a reject from the school kids design's for the state quarters.
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  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭


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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭


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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>The original is attractive, but looks like a period French Jeton to me. Not like a US coin. Nothing wrong with that, it just doesn't have that special something.

    This remake, on the other hand, is dreadful. >>



    The original is nicer than the remake for sure. But it's not much different from the Liberty on all of Barber's other designs; it's just facing the other way and wearing a different hat.

    Reverse is killer. >>



    The reverse is actually the obverse for Barber's non-selected 1891 standing Columbia pattern half dollar. That's why this pattern has two Lady Liberties, one on each side.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,820 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>The original is attractive, but looks like a period French Jeton to me. Not like a US coin. Nothing wrong with that, it just doesn't have that special something.

    This remake, on the other hand, is dreadful. >>



    The original is definitely influenced by French designs of the time.

    I don't know who the "Smithsonian" hires to do these remakes, but they could do a lot better. >>



    If you go back and compare the look of Ms. Liberty on the Barber dime, quarter and half dollar with the young Victoria head on the English coinage, you will see a similarity. Charles Barber was very much influenced by the 19th century English coinage.
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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,148 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I simply never cared for Charles Barber's designs.

    Even his father, William Barber was so much better.
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  • valente151valente151 Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭
    This pattern is currently displayed at the Museum of American History in DC.

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>This coin, designed by Charles Barber, was his version of the contender for America's most beautiful coin. Compare it with the 1907 design (at left) by Augustus Saint-Gaudens, considered by many to be the more artistic coin. >>



    Did Charles Barber think of his design as a contender for "America's most beautiful coin" or did he think of his design as a contender for the $20 double eagle?
  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow. I already think Barber coinage is the least-inspired in our nation's history.

    If this was his best effort against Saint Gaudens, it really makes him look like sterile and uninspired.
    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
    --Severian the Lame

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