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  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This explains it. I got a call from Chase on Wednesday questioning a few charges. Canceled the card and they overnighted me a new one so I was back to normal on Thursday. But now I have to memorize a new number image
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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,988 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Airplanenut, were you in philly?


    and do you have an RFID card?

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  • CoinHuskerCoinHusker Posts: 5,033 ✭✭✭
    I wasn't in Philly but I was notifed this afternoon that my card had been hacked. I'm wondering if it might have something to do with the ANA data base because I pay my dues with that card.
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  • SmittysSmittys Posts: 9,876 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mine was compromised too
  • WindycityWindycity Posts: 3,552 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Any chance this is PCGS related? Everyone submits and many of use use credit cards. I too was the victim of CC Fraud in the past week... had to cancel card and get a new one.
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Any chance this is PCGS related? Everyone submits and many of use use credit cards. I too was the victim of CC Fraud in the past week... had to cancel card and get a new one. >>


    I pay for my submissions by check.

    Where is that thread about the cashless society? Imagine the chaos!
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,143 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks like it is time for a new wallet......I'm ordering this one.

    image >>



    I just did...image
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  • WTCGWTCG Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭
    I was in Phiilly and no card problems here. If this many coin people had card problems then it is unlikely that this is all one big coincidence. A numismatic company or service must have had their database or readers hacked.
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  • foodudefoodude Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭
    I was in Philly for the whole show with an RFID blocking wallet ... and no unauthorized charges ...
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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,988 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Ok, a non-public Yahoo! Group has been made to discuss this. The purpose of which is to narrow down where the leak came from. Those interested in narrowing in down can PM me for details.

    Yes, this will require joining Yahoo! but one can always use fake info for the join.

    also, one will have to post here or in the other CC / Philly thread to let me know you want to join before sending me the PM

    I won't be accepting new people into the group. I hope we have enough people on here with a history that it can be narrowed down using familiar names.


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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,318 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Don't RFID cards regenerate part of their code each time they're used, kind of like a garage door remote?
  • howardshowards Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭


    << <i>You might consider getting a second Cc from someone like Chase and use it as a backup to your primary card where you have stuff auto billed. At least it would save on late fees. I have 2 associated with my PP account. I assume one could do the same for places where you pay your normal bills. >>



    None of the vendors who autobill my cards allow for a backup account if the primary account fails for some reason. We're talking water bills, telephone bills, cell phone, and several other similar bills. It's a great idea though - wish the vendors would implement that.

  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭


    << <i>None of the vendors who autobill my cards allow for a backup account if the primary account fails for some reason. We're talking water bills, telephone bills, cell phone, and several other similar bills. It's a great idea though - wish the vendors would implement that. >>



    It's good to use one card for those bills with autobill and not carry it or use it for shopping. Then use another card for shopping that you carry with you.
    That way as long as those places that autobill don't have a breach that card is less likely to be compromised.

    If the card that you shop with ever has a problem you can get a new one without needing to mess with changing the info with the places you autopay.
    Ed
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,392 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>None of the vendors who autobill my cards allow for a backup account if the primary account fails for some reason. We're talking water bills, telephone bills, cell phone, and several other similar bills. It's a great idea though - wish the vendors would implement that. >>



    It's good to use one card for those bills with autobill and not carry it or use it for shopping. Then use another card for shopping that you carry with you.
    That way as long as those places that autobill don't have a breach that card is less likely to be compromised.

    If the card that you shop with ever has a problem you can get a new one without needing to mess with changing the info with the places you autopay. >>



    That was going to be my next suggestion; get a dedicated card.
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  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭
    I recall reading somewhere that Euopean CCs and ATM cards have used RFID for several years for INCREASED security. As someone else mntioned, I suspect a database was compromised, rather than individuals being scanned.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,621 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Did not go to Philly, but my card was fraudulently used at Travelocity and Jet Air... out of Texas and New Jersey.
    Bank of America cancelled the card and said they would send me a new one. They'll pay for the fraudsters usage. Are they nice or what ?

    Easy money in the digital age.
  • pocketpiececommemspocketpiececommems Posts: 6,052 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is there anything that you can carry in your wallet that would prevent scanning if that would be the case?
  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,687 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Is there anything that you can carry in your wallet that would prevent scanning if that would be the case? >>



    yes there is

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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,392 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Did not go to Philly, but my card was fraudulently used at Travelocity and Jet Air... out of Texas and New Jersey.
    Bank of America cancelled the card and said they would send me a new one. They'll pay for the fraudsters usage. Are they nice or what ?

    Easy money in the digital age. >>



    Wouldn't they simply do a chargeback and get their money back, esp. from an established legit business? Can't believe that they would simply just eat the charges without putting up even a hint of a fight. If the outfit is bogus that might be a different story.
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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,621 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bajjerfan... I have no clue. I just suffer the indignity of the system with more paperwork for plasticware.
  • UtahCoinUtahCoin Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭✭✭
    On this past Saturday my American Express card was charged $1.00 from FedEx. I don't even use FedEx.

    I wonder if a layer of aluminum in the wallet would block a scanner, or at least reduce the range of the scanner?
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  • phnataccphnatacc Posts: 367 ✭✭
    I didn't catch it in the thread anywhere, so...

    Has it actually been confirmed that all of these cards with fraudulent charges contain an RFID chip?
  • SONOMOSCASONOMOSCA Posts: 423 ✭✭✭
    All my Credit/Debit cards with the RFID chip have been disabled with the help of a philips screw driver. Locate the chip and place the philips on it then give it a good whack with a hammer or your palm. The card is left with a small dimple on the front, but I can live with it. I have no need for this chip so I don't need it. Plenty of youtube videos showing different methods of disabling, even videos showing thieves how to make their own scanners to get your info.image

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  • mbogomanmbogoman Posts: 5,239 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Has it actually been confirmed that all of these cards with fraudulent charges contain an RFID chip? >>



    No, No, NO!!!

    My card did not have an RFID chip. I believe many others did not, either. It seems highly unlikely that so many numismatists spread across the country had their cards scanned last week. More likely would be a security breach at a common merchant where a hoard of CC numbers was harvested from the merchant's database. JMHO, but I think the RFID angle, at least in this case, is a red herring...
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,988 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Did not go to Philly, but my card was fraudulently used at Travelocity and Jet Air... out of Texas and New Jersey.
    Bank of America cancelled the card and said they would send me a new one. They'll pay for the fraudsters usage. Are they nice or what ?

    Easy money in the digital age. >>





    and here is one example of a non-philly person getting their card compromised.

    and one thing else is "familiar" to these threads: travel tickets purchased.


    I am not sure, but wonder if a web site was compromised.


    unfortunately, this forum is not the place to discuss it publically because we'd be naming a lot of sites most of which would be innocent.



    I'm surprised this crowd is satisfied with simply having replacement cards and not narrowing down where the leak came from. Others could get hit as they cycle through the list they have, plus they could go back for more..... no web site has notified anyone of a breach.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,988 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Did not go to Philly, but my card was fraudulently used at Travelocity and Jet Air... out of Texas and New Jersey.
    Bank of America cancelled the card and said they would send me a new one. They'll pay for the fraudsters usage. Are they nice or what ?

    Easy money in the digital age. >>




    when did the ticket charges hit your card??

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,988 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>On this past Saturday my American Express card was charged $1.00 from FedEx. I don't even use FedEx.

    I wonder if a layer of aluminum in the wallet would block a scanner, or at least reduce the range of the scanner? >>




    google RFID credit card logo and you will see what to look for on the card. You may not even have an RFID card. This could be a web site compromise.


    the logo is a series of concentric arcs that look like the "radio signal" indicator you probably know well. ---> ))))


    did you even go to philly????
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  • ThePennyLadyThePennyLady Posts: 4,495 ✭✭✭✭✭
    FYI, I contacted the Philly Chamber of Commerce to let them know about how this since I'm sure it's unusual to have this many people have cards compromised at the same time around the same area - and we don't even know about all the non-coin people that this happened to.

    Also, I just got an email from Coin World - looks like they are doing a story about the compromised credit cards.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,988 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>FYI, I contacted the Philly Chamber of Commerce to let them know about how this since I'm sure it's unusual to have this many people have cards compromised at the same time around the same area - and we don't even know about all the non-coin people that this happened to.

    Also, I just got an email from Coin World - looks like they are doing a story about the compromised credit cards. >>




    more people are coming out saying "no ANA trip for me" ...

    probably one of our more popular web sites...



    anyone care to share details on a Yahoo! group I set up? Post here or in the other CC hack thread if you want me to PM you the details.
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  • I had one card used to pay a cable TV co. for over $700, and that same card used to pay over $100 for an electric bill. Surely it wouldn't be hard to find out who paid their bills with my card, and the cc co. said they would recover what they could, but wouldn't ever tell me who it was , or how they did it. The cops said that as long as the cc reimbursed me and I didn't lose anything -which was the case - then they had better things to do. I don't know if debit cards have protection, and this is all reason not to use bank account #s online it seems to me.
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  • LochNESSLochNESS Posts: 4,829 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I did not used my CC at Philly. So someone must have been walking around with a card scanner of some type to get my numbers. >>



    My wife and I have a joint credit card, which neither of us has used in a couple weeks (but we carry everywhere) and the number was stolen. I can only guess as you have, that it was a pocket scanner/reader.

    The technology is out there it's not far-fetched.
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  • LochNESSLochNESS Posts: 4,829 ✭✭✭


    << <i>You guys should use Wells Fargo from now on. i know from personal exp.
    that they dont really like any transactions done in east coast and new england
    areas. I know they really hate New York and Boston. They will reject almost
    any charges done in those areas. i know, when i was thrown out of a hotel
    in Boston at 2AM because they said my CC was no good. ! >>



    There are a ton of WF in Georgia - especially Atlanta - and I use them with no such problems. What you experienced may be due to the proximity from your address on file. A common fraud prevention technique is to block transactions (1) over a certain dollar amount, and (2) happening over 300 miles away within the same 24-hour period (use your card at the airport, fly to the East coast, your card gets declined).
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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,988 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I had one card used to pay a cable TV co. for over $700, and that same card used to pay over $100 for an electric bill. Surely it wouldn't be hard to find out who paid their bills with my card, and the cc co. said they would recover what they could, but wouldn't ever tell me who it was , or how they did it. The cops said that as long as the cc reimbursed me and I didn't lose anything -which was the case - then they had better things to do. I don't know if debit cards have protection, and this is all reason not to use bank account #s online it seems to me. >>




    great reason to have and use the Yahoo! group I set up.


    we are trying.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,988 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I did not used my CC at Philly. So someone must have been walking around with a card scanner of some type to get my numbers. >>



    My wife and I have a joint credit card, which neither of us has used in a couple weeks (but we carry everywhere) and the number was stolen. I can only guess as you have, that it was a pocket scanner/reader.

    The technology is out there it's not far-fetched. >>




    google RFID credit card logo.

    if it does't have one of those logo on it ---> ))))

    then it is not RFID. Call the Credit Card company to confirm.


    Some are reporting they got hit and did not go to ANA.


    This is likely a web site hack.


    The only way to find out is to compare info. This is what the Yahoo! group is for.

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  • mbogomanmbogoman Posts: 5,239 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just received email from ANA, text below:


    ANA advises members to check credit, debit statements

    The American Numismatic Association has received reports that several members had credit or debit card numbers stolen during their stay in Philadelphia for the World’s Fair of MoneySM. In light of this, the ANA advises members to check their credit and debit cards for unusual charges.

    The stolen credit card numbers did not come from a compromise of ANA databases, its websites or from credit card charges made during the World’s Fair of Money.

    If your card has been compromised, the Philadelphia Police Department recommends first contacting your credit card company to cancel your card and report the fraudulent charges. If your credit card company advises that you need to file a police report, call your local police department.

    “When you’re reporting a credit card theft, it is treated as a theft from your home. It’s the same procedure nationally. So you report the crime in your local jurisdiction,” said Sgt. Anthony Rapone of the Philadelphia Police Department.

    Credit card companies will investigate the source of the theft.

    If your credit card number has been stolen and you were able to pinpoint the source, please contact ANA Library and Communications Director RyAnne Scott at 719-482-9867. Information will be forwarded to the Philadelphia Police Department.

  • RichRRichR Posts: 3,930 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well...now I can join the club...lucky me.

    Just got word from my bank that they successfully blocked an out of state attempted charge. This would be the first hack of my cc in about 10 years...so what are the chances of a coincidence.

    I was in Philly on Thursday-Saturday...if anyone wants to compare notes.
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,988 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Well...now I can join the club...lucky me.

    Just got word from my bank that they successfully blocked an out of state attempted charge. This would be the first hack of my cc in about 10 years...so what are the chances of a coincidence.

    I was in Philly on Thursday-Saturday...if anyone wants to compare notes. >>



    PM sent
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  • FunwithMPLFunwithMPL Posts: 330 ✭✭✭
    Hi all just to let everyone know.

    My wife got me a a Secure Wallet it is RFID reader proof.

    She got mind at www.idstronghold.com it is very nice. Many different types for both men and ladies.

    Doggiedad

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  • RichRRichR Posts: 3,930 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MsMorrisine: I just replied...and I think you may have hit a nail on the head with one particular item, especially when tied to the date.
  • I received a call from Chase last Friday Aug. 17th that, for the 1st time ever, my credit card had fraudulently been charged with a $1 charge, $30 from bodybuilder.com and hundreds of dollars on some spanish airline(CM?). I collect paper money (not coins) but I have, in the last year, purchased from multiple online coin shops when they were having specials on silver eagles. I was not in Philly but after reading this thread I can't help but feel like all these numbers were compromised through one of the larger (no idea which) online coin shops. sorry about the blank post above, thought i was logging in.
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,988 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I received a call from Chase last Friday Aug. 17th that, for the 1st time ever, my credit card had fraudulently been charged with a $1 charge, $30 from bodybuilder.com and hundreds of dollars on some spanish airline(CM?). I collect paper money (not coins) but I have, in the last year, purchased from multiple online coin shops when they were having specials on silver eagles. I was not in Philly but after reading this thread I can't help but feel like all these numbers were compromised through one of the larger (no idea which) online coin shops. sorry about the blank post above, thought i was logging in. >>



    PM sent

    with this:

    UPDATE: mid-August 2012 Stolen Credit Card (CC) Info ...
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  • Interesting coincidence...

    I have not had any of my accounts hacked, and I was not at the Philly ANA, however...

    Yesterday I was looking through my cards to see if any have the RFID logo, and I discovered that only one card -- issued by Chase Bank -- is RFID enabled.

    Today in the mail I received a new card from Chase Bank -- midway between the previous expiration date and the upcoming expiration date -- and the only apparent difference between the two cards is the three-digit-code by the signature panel and the lack of an RFID logo on the card.

    I wonder if the bank has me 'profiled' as a numismatic purchaser and removing the RFIDs as a loss-prevention strategy, or if they're simply removing the logo from cards which still contain an RFID chip.

    I did not request a new card, I'm not near the expiration date to receive a new card, and I didn't complain about having RFID on my current card.



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  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,687 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I wonder how many of the recently stolen credit card numbers will be used for major ebay coin/bullion purchases. The increase in credit card theft is sure to hit ebay purchases. I do not like the fact that paypal requires a seller to allow someone to use a credit card to make a paypal purchase but holds the seller fully responsible for the loss if CC theft was involved. It would be nice if sellers had the option to opt out of accepting paypal CC payments.

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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,392 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Interesting coincidence...

    I have not had any of my accounts hacked, and I was not at the Philly ANA, however...

    Yesterday I was looking through my cards to see if any have the RFID logo, and I discovered that only one card -- issued by Chase Bank -- is RFID enabled.

    Today in the mail I received a new card from Chase Bank -- midway between the previous expiration date and the upcoming expiration date -- and the only apparent difference between the two cards is the three-digit-code by the signature panel and the lack of an RFID logo on the card.

    I wonder if the bank has me 'profiled' as a numismatic purchaser and removing the RFIDs as a loss-prevention strategy, or if they're simply removing the logo from cards which still contain an RFID chip.

    I did not request a new card, I'm not near the expiration date to receive a new card, and I didn't complain about having RFID on my current card. >>



    It would seem that a call to your CC issuer is in order.
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  • Lehigh96Lehigh96 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I received a call from Chase last Friday Aug. 17th that, for the 1st time ever, my credit card had fraudulently been charged with a $1 charge, $30 from bodybuilder.com and hundreds of dollars on some spanish airline(CM?). I collect paper money (not coins) but I have, in the last year, purchased from multiple online coin shops when they were having specials on silver eagles. I was not in Philly but after reading this thread I can't help but feel like all these numbers were compromised through one of the larger (no idea which) online coin shops. sorry about the blank post above, thought i was logging in. >>



    Add my name to the ever growing list. I quoted this post because this is almost exactly what happened to my card. I was not in Philly for the ANA show, but yesterday someone charged $10 on my AMEX to American Endowment? Today they attempted to charge $575 to an airline based in Los Angeles but I received a fraud protection alert and cancelled the card within 30 minutes of the transaction. I don't use my AMEX for online coin purchases but I did use it for my ANA & NGC memberships.
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  • mbogomanmbogoman Posts: 5,239 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't think we've heard the end of this story yet. It usually takes a while before a business admits they've been violated. It takes a while to discover and positively determine where and when the intrusion took place. They've got to determine which clients CC numbers were exposed. Management must come up with a mitigation plan (which is likely hampered by rampant CYA). Eventually, they'll send out a communication to all of the affected clients announcing the CC exposure and telling us to check our CC activity while simultaneously describing whatever mitigation they have taken to fix the problem.

    I think we'll all be getting a communication from somebody soon. JMHO of course...
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,988 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lehigh96...

    UPDATE: mid-August 2012 Stolen Credit Card (CC) Info ...


    It's probably a major card processing firm.



    and the fact that people are still getting hit is why I pursued this so hard.... imagine if it was a debit card.... we'd have another someone living off $28 until their bank account is fixed. image

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  • I just got the fraud call from HSBC.
    Luckily all the transactions were caught.
  • segojasegoja Posts: 6,141 ✭✭✭✭
    I caught 2 large transactions today. Both from PA and called my card co. the charges totaled over $5K

    they had actually blocked another charge for about $4k but didn't bother to call me

    All charged to PA businesses, sounds like a local job.
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