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Now that we know 250K +or- 10K when it is said & done. The Question is how many can be
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  • CoinMaster1229CoinMaster1229 Posts: 1,092 ✭✭


    << <i>My question is how much will PCGS FS 70's sell for?image >>



    The first ones out will go for moon money, after that it depends on the pop report!
  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,760 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>My question is how much will PCGS FS 70's sell for?image >>



    The first ones out will go for moon money, after that it depends on the pop report! >>





    I have to get mine in ASAPimage
    I could use some moon moneyimage



  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The Question is how many can be shipped in the first 30 days for first strike? >>



    i am under the impression that first strike may always be given if the box is not opened and the TPG can verify the box hasn't been opened even if it is 10 years from now.
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  • KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My questions are: will they ship earlier than 7/27,
    when will mine arrive since it always takes 10 to 20 days for mint orders to get here
    and finally, what percentage of 70's will there be.

  • CoinMaster1229CoinMaster1229 Posts: 1,092 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>The Question is how many can be shipped in the first 30 days for first strike? >>



    i am under the impression that first strike may always be given if the box is not opened and the TPG can verify the box hasn't been opened even if it is 10 years from now.
    . >>



    As long as they are post marked in the first 30 days!
  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>My questions are: will they ship earlier than 7/27,
    when will mine arrive since it always takes 10 to 20 days for mint orders to get here
    and finally, what percentage of 70's will there be. >>



    1) I bet they will start shipping VERY soon
    2) Unless you just ordered one or two they will be sent UPS 2nd day air.....(I bet the 2 set orders will be sent this way also)
    3) I plan on have ALL my sets grade 70 image
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    I'm glad I didn't get any from the mint.
  • quarterguyquarterguy Posts: 449 ✭✭
    On what day does the 30 day period start?
  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,771 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sell 'em fast,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    GrandAm :)
  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭


    << <i>On what day does the 30 day period start? >>



    From the date they first SHIP from the USM.



    << <i> I plan on have ALL my sets grade 70 >>



    Then send them across the street.



    << <i> am under the impression that first strike may always be given if the box is not opened and the TPG can verify the box hasn't been opened even if it is 10 years from now. >>



    For PCGS, for items received within 30 days of initial SHIP date from the USM are eligible, open box allowed within those 30 days if no other coin within the set was offered in another product option previously that year, closed/sealed box as long as the label ship date is within 30 days of initial ship date from the USM can be submitted anytime in the future.

    NGC (ER) requires the coins be received by them no later than 30 days from initial SHIP date from the USM, no sealed boxes beyond that date. If coins offered previously, sealed box rule during the first 30 days.

    Of course, there may be other special requirements for special labelling, etc.
  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>NGC (ER) requires the coins be shipped to them no later than 30 days from initial SHIP date from the USM, no sealed boxes beyond that date. If coins offered previously, sealed box rule during the first 30 days. >>



    They have to be RECEIVED within 30 days of 1st mint shipment....sealed boxes are pointless
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,294 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>My question is how much will PCGS FS 70's sell for?image >>

    the tv shysters maybe 499.95 + shipping id say
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>The Question is how many can be shipped in the first 30 days for first strike? >>



    i am under the impression that first strike may always be given if the box is not opened and the TPG can verify the box hasn't been opened even if it is 10 years from now.
    . >>

    This is true.

    Well, as long as they have the First Strike™ Program that is.
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>My questions are: will they ship earlier than 7/27,
    when will mine arrive since it always takes 10 to 20 days for mint orders to get here
    and finally, what percentage of 70's will there be. >>

    If you ordered at Least three sets, you'll get automatic priority overnight shipping.
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>They have to be RECEIVED within 30 days of 1st mint shipment....sealed boxes are pointless >>

    The boxes have to be sealed because one of the coins in the set is available else where on the Mints website.
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>My questions are: will they ship earlier than 7/27,
    when will mine arrive since it always takes 10 to 20 days for mint orders to get here
    and finally, what percentage of 70's will there be. >>



    1) I bet they will start shipping VERY soon
    2) Unless you just ordered one or two they will be sent UPS 2nd day air.....(I bet the 2 set orders will be sent this way also)
    3) I plan on have ALL my sets grade 70 image >>

    I only ordered 3 sets on the initial day they were offered so should receive those during the first wave of shipping BUT, I'm really torn on whether or not to have them graded for First Strike™. For me, that cost is prohibitive at $30 per coin! Each set would chew up an additional $60 ($180 total) plus from shipping at $21.95 (minimum) and TO shipping at around $30.

    I don;t know. Given the total orders on a "Mint to Order" program, it just seems that not a whole lot of folks actually wanted these at the $149.95 price much less paying additional slabbing premiums for graded sets.

    If a majority grade at the 70 level, the premiums might not actually be worth the additional cost.
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • drei3reedrei3ree Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>They have to be RECEIVED within 30 days of 1st mint shipment....sealed boxes are pointless >>

    The boxes have to be sealed because one of the coins in the set is available else where on the Mints website. >>



    The 2012-S & RP are only available in the 75th set.
  • KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i> BUT, I'm really torn on whether or not to have them graded for First Strike™. For me, that cost is prohibitive at $30 per coin! Each set would chew up an additional $60 ($180 total) plus from shipping at $21.95 (minimum) and TO shipping at around $30.
    If a majority grade at the 70 level, the premiums might not actually be worth the additional cost. >>


    I thought the First Strike cost was $18 per coin.
    Your right...(think that movie preview voice here) In a world where nearly all ASE's grade MS70, the lower grades are bullied and ridiculed into obscurity. Then, one of the lowlyest, an MS64, rises up against the elites to assert his rarity. He becomes more valuable as the lowest population graded coin for his date group. He reigns for years as the most desirable ASE in his scuffed and dinged accoutrements.

  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭
    I am a big fan of our sponsors strict grading and aftermarket popularity with these moderns,

    however, the recent changes to bulk procedures and "label" price increases has me leaning across the street for some of these issues

    Also, based on the information shared online from individual submitters on the last (25th anniversary) sets, a very very small percentage made it to the lofty 70- grade, but there were a huge amount of 70 sets available from dealers/bulk submitters.......I just didnt understand it......
  • CoinspongeCoinsponge Posts: 3,927 ✭✭✭
    Also, based on the information shared online from individual submitters on the last (25th anniversary) sets, a very very small percentage made it to the lofty 70- grade, but there were a huge amount of 70 sets available from dealers/bulk submitters.......I just didnt understand it...... >>




    Haven't you heard that it is a fact that bulk sumbitters always submit prettier coins than the regular joe.image
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  • fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The 2012-S & RP are only available in the 75th set. >>

    Oh okay thanks drei3ree. My mistake I thought the 2012-S proof was the same proof coin sold separately on the mint's website. That makes the set even that much BETTER!!image
  • << I thought the First Strike cost was $18 per coin. >>

    First Strike is $18 EXTRA, on top of the regular submission costs, so total is at least $32/coin (submitted at the "Modern" service level of $14/coin)
  • drei3reedrei3ree Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Now that we know 250K +or- 10K when it is said & done. The Question is how many can be
    shipped in the first 30 days for first strike? >>



    They did not ship all of the 25th sets in the first 30 days.

    Edit: ...and they were not dealing with returns--which they will have with the 75th sets.
  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭
    MCM now has them available (pre-sale) at $249/199 (NGC-not ER)

  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I received mine this morning... so early a strike, it's still warm from the minting process.. yes that's real "history!" image

    It's in an amazing state of preservation, probably proof 71 or 72 at least!!

    There is nothing, --Nothing!-- like the historical significance of a coin minted yesterday! It's entire ownership history is known, and it starts and ends with me! Oh, the vanity!!

    And what are the odds that it survives the attrition these will experience... not many at all will survive in perfect condition. But mine will! I'll take good care of it!

    I love these coins with this year's date on them, it's so easy to collect!! just place an order and they show up, as many as you can afford, no problem at all finding one.

    it's good it's no challenge. so EASY!

    ALSO! there are many giftwrapping options! yes! one can get blue labels, white lables, flag lables, autographed labels, lables with plusses and stars and stickers on them!!
    AAAAANNNND sell it to someone, immediately, for more!

    that's pure numismatics right there! Yes, this ASE set is History all right image

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  • drei3reedrei3ree Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭✭
    Some like antique, some like modern, and some enjoy both. That's the beauty of it. image
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The older it gets , the more I like history.
  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I received mine this morning... so early a strike, it's still warm from the minting process.. yes that's real "history!" image

    It's in an amazing state of preservation, probably proof 71 or 72 at least!!

    There is nothing, --Nothing!-- like the historical significance of a coin minted yesterday! It's entire ownership history is known, and it starts and ends with me! Oh, the vanity!!

    And what are the odds that it survives the attrition these will experience... not many at all will survive in perfect condition. But mine will! I'll take good care of it!

    I love these coins with this year's date on them, it's so easy to collect!! just place an order and they show up, as many as you can afford, no problem at all finding one.

    it's good it's no challenge. so EASY!

    ALSO! there are many giftwrapping options! yes! one can get blue labels, white lables, flag lables, autographed labels, lables with plusses and stars and stickers on them!!
    AAAAANNNND sell it to someone, immediately, for more!

    that's pure numismatics right there! Yes, this ASE set is History all right image >>




    Ummm....history meaning sale over....I really know you knew that....I hope......


  • << <i>Some like antique, some like modern, and some enjoy both. That's the beauty of it. image >>

    image
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  • DeepCoinDeepCoin Posts: 2,781 ✭✭✭
    There is zero chance of getting any of the orders after the first 150K ordered. However, there should be plenty for the market to price them properly. It will be interesting to watch as they begin to arrive and be flipped.
    Retired United States Mint guy, now working on an Everyman Type Set.
  • drei3reedrei3ree Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭✭
    I'm gonna say that unless you ordered before June 10th, you have ZERO chance of getting FS eligible coins. 6/9 number was 97K.

    EDIT: But that's okay. If yours aren't eligible; you can take your time, open them up, and return all that look <70. image
  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,691 ✭✭✭✭✭
    be on the lookout for a "reverse of west point" image

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  • At least the coins won't spot like those slabbed 70's. I know I have lots of them.
  • GritsManGritsMan Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭
    Baley, I suspect that some of your comments were, how should I say, insincere?
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  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,691 ✭✭✭✭✭
    they won't always be moderns.

    No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left

  • CoinMaster1229CoinMaster1229 Posts: 1,092 ✭✭
    US Mint will not make an Uncirculated S mint marked Silver Eagle This Year!

    http://news.coinupdate.com/s-uncirculated-silver-eagle-will-not-be-offered-1474/
  • drei3reedrei3ree Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭✭
    If I return one of the 75th sets to the Mint and request a replacement, will I get it?
  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭
    Probably depends on when you return it....I wouldn't hold my breath though...
  • ObiwancanoliObiwancanoli Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If I return one of the 75th sets to the Mint and request a replacement, will I get it? >>



    I'm betting they'll made/made more than what's been ordered, since it's not difficult to melt the remainder when all is said and done. I don't think there will be any problem getting a replacement set, should one be requested. After all, it's on the packing slip, all you have to do is note if you want a replacement or a refund.
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  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭
    im sure there is a slight overage for replacements, which will be destroyed after a period of time.

    i wouldnt wait long for a replacement request, you may just get a refund, they definitely dont guarantee a replacement.
  • drei3reedrei3ree Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭✭
    I believe the first 150,000 orders have a ship date of 7/27. Assuming ~125,000 are still valid, and even if the Mint starts shipping tomorrow, I can't see them shipping all 125k before the end of August--and that would be fast! Opinions?
  • quarterguyquarterguy Posts: 449 ✭✭
    With Uncle Sam......who knows
  • 08HALA2008HALA20 Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭
    12 days to go until they start shipping.

    No status change yet cancel box still there.

    Joe
  • Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 7,425 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think it would be cool if they had to mint more to fulfill current orders,.... those with ship dates of 9/28....and they used a different reverse hub on these coins only thus creating an instant rarity.
  • Barney1955Barney1955 Posts: 74 ✭✭
    What are the chances of the early birds sending sets back for replacements and the Johnny come latelies getting those returned sets?
  • quarterguyquarterguy Posts: 449 ✭✭
    100% chance!
  • drei3reedrei3ree Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>What are the chances of the early birds sending sets back for replacements and the Johnny come latelies getting those returned sets? >>



    It depends on the reason for the return. If the set was returned because it looks 69 and not 70, it will be recycled and given to someone else.
  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭
    its an interesting situation - the early birds who receive the first shipment have 30 days to inspect and submit the coins for ER/FS.....

    as neither of the coins were offered previously in any product option - therefore no need to be sealed.

    it is VERY possible rejects can and will be sent back for return, and could be recycled, given to another customer......

    late orders will not have the possibility of ER/FS, as their ship date is well out beyond the 30 days.......
  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>its an interesting situation - the early birds who receive the first shipment have 30 days to inspect and submit the coins for ER/FS.....

    as neither of the coins were offered previously in any product option - therefore no need to be sealed.

    it is VERY possible rejects can and will be sent back for return, and could be recycled, given to another customer......

    late orders will not have the possibility of ER/FS, as their ship date is well out beyond the 30 days....... >>



    The early birds have only 5 days to examine the coins.....the same as the later orders....neither is guaranteed a replacement...just a refund...

    Obviously the FS/ER thing is the difference between them

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