First Spouses

louisianagold · July 9, 2012 1:57PM

You guys getting on board? Mintages are diminishing. Should provide fine appreciation based upon the numbers in the future.

LindeDad · July 9, 2012 2:07PM

Done got the Non Spouses and out.

MidLifeCrisis · July 9, 2012 2:12PM

No thanks. I'm trying to quit.

CoinMaster1229 · July 9, 2012 7:04PM

Count me in!

BillJones · July 9, 2012 11:02PM

These things are like tulip blossoms. At best they are a fad, and if they were not issued by the U.S. mint system they would not amount to squat. They would just be gold rounds, which is really what they all are.

There are too many classic coins, tokens and medals that interest me that will save me from wasting my time and tying my money up in this irrelevant series. Just because you were married to a President of the United States does not make you worthy of U.S. commemorative coin. There are many other historical figures, male and female, who are far more deserving.

AbesNeighbor · July 9, 2012 11:23PM

I, unfortunately, started with proofs in this series and hope my Grandkids enjoy them some day.

Coinsponge · July 10, 2012 12:01AM

Coinsponge · July 10, 2012 12:06AM

<< Just because you were married to a President of the United States does not make you worthy of U.S. commemorative coin. There are many other historical figures, male and female, who are far more deserving. >>

I don't know why these ladies do not get more credit for the sacrifices that they made being married to a President. Sure, they don't get awards, medals, or prestigious titles while living but they surely made quiet sacrifices that makes them all the more praise worthy. Sure, some were spoiled but then that goes for Presidents also. Look at our current Commander In Chief who cannot get off the golf course and don't tell me that he is doing buisness out there. Same with moms who take the time to raise children with character. They often get dumped on by the world but are more responsible for preserving civilization than most know.

TwoSides2aCoin · July 10, 2012 12:09AM

Bought my first for $450 ish. Sold one last week for $1000. I'm on the fence about playing anymore in that field, because the husbands move faster and have a much higher ROI.

Coinsponge · July 10, 2012 12:12AM

I'm on the fence about playing anymore in that field, because the husbands move faster and have a much higher ROI. >>

You talking about the Presidential dollars? How is that?

ianrussell · July 10, 2012 12:26AM

I think they will be a good set long-term, but obviously needs some big market makers in the series to make an active buy/sell for it to work. There used to be one, however, he passed away last year and ever since then, the prices have been easing.

That being said, there is still a market for the ultra high end First Strike Spouses in 70 (the pop c100 etc. coins), and we were even able to sell two complete sets (one graded, one raw) in one day about a month ago.

- Ian

TwoSides2aCoin · July 10, 2012 12:27AM

<< I'm on the fence about playing anymore in that field, because the husbands move faster and have a much higher ROI. >>

You talking about the Presidential dollars? How is that?

>>

Yes, I'm talking presidential dollars , despite your feelings about them, sir. There are honestly people collecting these. I have an appointment to sell 4 to a gentleman today. I know it may come as a shock to many people, but this is true.

I've sold more Grover Cleveland dollars than Chester Arthur and I already have calls asking when Benjamin Harrison comes out.
Let's not steer off course. The wives are beautiful and I like gold. Make no mistake. I think they're a little pricey and I cannot get as much of a "return", percentage wise on the gold , as I do the dollars. It's the nature of a B&M. I'm sorry if this makes you puke.

MsMorrisine · July 10, 2012 1:09AM

<< 

<< I'm on the fence about playing anymore in that field, because the husbands move faster and have a much higher ROI. >>

You talking about the Presidential dollars? How is that?

>>

Yes, I'm talking presidential dollars , despite your feelings about them, sir. There are honestly people collecting these. I have an appointment to sell 4 to a gentleman today. I know it may come as a shock to many people, but this is true.

I've sold more Grover Cleveland dollars than Chester Arthur and I already have calls asking when Benjamin Harrison comes out.
Let's not steer off course. The wives are beautiful and I like gold. Make no mistake. I think they're a little pricey and I cannot get as much of a "return", percentage wise on the gold , as I do the dollars. It's the nature of a B&M. I'm sorry if this makes you puke. >>

woohoo

presidential coin biz is growing.

I still haven't sold nor listed the house. I hope it sells fast as I need to buy many items.

kiyote · July 10, 2012 2:04AM

<< I, unfortunately, started with proofs in this series and hope my Grandkids enjoy them some day. >>

Once completed, this is going to be a set to behold. It'd love to see them on in a display case.

kimber45ACP · July 10, 2012 2:15AM

I think Jackie 'O will sell out and actually be in high demand.

HalfStrike · July 10, 2012 2:18AM

Sales have been dreadful, what is not to like.

Coinsponge · July 10, 2012 2:47AM

<< 

<< I'm on the fence about playing anymore in that field, because the husbands move faster and have a much higher ROI. >>

You talking about the Presidential dollars? How is that?

>>

Yes, I'm talking presidential dollars , despite your feelings about them, sir. There are honestly people collecting these. I have an appointment to sell 4 to a gentleman today. I know it may come as a shock to many people, but this is true.

I've sold more Grover Cleveland dollars than Chester Arthur and I already have calls asking when Benjamin Harrison comes out.
Let's not steer off course. The wives are beautiful and I like gold. Make no mistake. I think they're a little pricey and I cannot get as much of a "return", percentage wise on the gold , as I do the dollars. It's the nature of a B&M. I'm sorry if this makes you puke. >>

Sir? I have not been knighted yet. Sorry, I should not have put mr yuck on there-my bad. I was curious because I did not think there was a big demand there although I guess some tv die hards seem to be doing it still. I am guessing that yours are graded pretty high though.

TwoSides2aCoin · July 10, 2012 6:03AM

These are not graded prezzie bucks I was referring to, Coinsponge. There is also not a "great demand". These are not "high roller" collectors I serve. They're more like me.

reddwing · July 10, 2012 6:17AM

Except for the four liberty coins these are dreadfully ugly coins IMHO. Do we think the collector base will improve in the coming years?

BillJones · July 10, 2012 6:27AM

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<< Just because you were married to a President of the United States does not make you worthy of U.S. commemorative coin. There are many other historical figures, male and female, who are far more deserving. >>

I don't know why these ladies do not get more credit for the sacrifices that they made being married to a President. Sure, they don't get awards, medals, or prestigious titles while living but they surely made quiet sacrifices that makes them all the more praise worthy. Sure, some were spoiled but then that goes for Presidents also. Look at our current Commander In Chief who cannot get off the golf course and don't tell me that he is doing buisness out there. Same with moms who take the time to raise children with character. They often get dumped on by the world but are more responsible for preserving civilization than most know. >>

If you would pick out a list of deserving First Ladies you point would be well taken. The trouble is the series covers all of them, and that's just plain wrong. As I have pointed out in the past, some like Jane Piece, Mary Lincoln and Florence Harding made things worse for their husbands. Jane Piece and Mary Lincoln were mentally ill. Florence Harding was mean spirited conniving woman who made her husband's life hell. Why should such people be honored by a U.S. commemorative coin?

Ida McKinley was a pathetic person who was rendered an invalid by epileptic seizures. Woodrow Wilson's second wife took over the White House after her husband suffered a debilitating stroke and limited access to him. Some historians have viewed her as "de facto president" during that period, and the reviews on her management have not been kind. Imagine what would have happened had Wilson suffered that stroke during the First World War?

With all of the deserving people in American history, including economic history, why devote an entire series indiscriminately to one level of the political class? That's why this series is so unnecessary and useless.

DeepCoin · July 10, 2012 9:45PM

Anyone who bought the entire set from the beginning from the Mint is doing quite well. Now that is due to the appreciation of gold, not the individual demand for coins, but nevertheless, if you got in early you are sitting pretty right now!

pf70collector · July 10, 2012 10:22PM

I am ultra modern collector and more interested in the later ones like Jackie. I have no interest in the others accept the Liberty subset.

Coinsponge · July 11, 2012 1:26AM

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<< Just because you were married to a President of the United States does not make you worthy of U.S. commemorative coin. There are many other historical figures, male and female, who are far more deserving. >>

I don't know why these ladies do not get more credit for the sacrifices that they made being married to a President. Sure, they don't get awards, medals, or prestigious titles while living but they surely made quiet sacrifices that makes them all the more praise worthy. Sure, some were spoiled but then that goes for Presidents also. Look at our current Commander In Chief who cannot get off the golf course and don't tell me that he is doing buisness out there. Same with moms who take the time to raise children with character. They often get dumped on by the world but are more responsible for preserving civilization than most know. >>

If you would pick out a list of deserving First Ladies you point would be well taken. The trouble is the series covers all of them, and that's just plain wrong. As I have pointed out in the past, some like Jane Piece, Mary Lincoln and Florence Harding made things worse for their husbands. Jane Piece and Mary Lincoln were mentally ill. Florence Harding was mean spirited conniving woman who made her husband's life hell. Why should such people be honored by a U.S. commemorative coin?

Ida McKinley was a pathetic person who was rendered an invalid by epileptic seizures. Woodrow Wilson's second wife took over the White House after her husband suffered a debilitating stroke and limited access to him. Some historians have viewed her as "de facto president" during that period, and the reviews on her management have not been kind. Imagine what would have happened had Wilson suffered that stroke during the First World War?

With all of the deserving people in American history, including economic history, why devote an entire series indiscriminately to one level of the political class? That's why this series is so unnecessary and useless. >>

Your knowledge of the First Ladies is impressive, especially their flaws. However, I think we can make a dirty laundry list of Presidents also in the same fashion, especially in the infidelity category. Yet they all get their coins without protest. One last point; it doesn't seem fair that a medical condition that is not their fault should cast the same cloud of disapproval as some moral or character flaw. Should we say that FDR was a cripple and therefore not deserving of the dime?

Coinsponge · July 11, 2012 5:53AM

Just looked at the Mint schedule and still no release dates for any of the 2012 Spouse coins. Any theories out there on what the Mint will do with these? Put them all out rapid fire, say 1/month? That would be tough to budget at the prices they charge for them.

WillieBoyd2 · July 11, 2012 6:03AM

We already have a silver dollar for Dolley Madison (I have one),
a silver dollar for Jackie Kennedy would probably be a big seller for the mint.

johnny9434 · July 11, 2012 6:26AM

no interest in the spouses here.

Coinsponge · July 11, 2012 7:18AM

<< no interest in the spouses here. >>

You have to admit there is a stubborn dislike of these coins and I am not sure why. You could say you don't think the women deserve a coin. You could say you don't like the designs. You could say they are expensive. But it seems there are other coins that you could say that about and yet do not stir up such opposition. I find it interesting. Sure does explain the low sales though.

7Jaguars · July 11, 2012 9:18AM

Nothing against the women, just IMO another contrived issue and all NCLTs with nary a bit scheduled for currency release. No better than a stamp or the worst of the Franklin Mint Issues - no wait, they also did an encompassing series of the First Spouses....LOL

IMO, losers just like many of the other latest and greatest mint releases, flippers speculation be da-ned as I am talking about real collectors which is maybe a bit like the other poster favoring the prezzie dollars as they have a bit of legitimacy as coins.

louisianagold · July 11, 2012 1:10PM

But the real collectors should see value here. You are talking about US Mint coins 1 oz gold with fewer than 3-5,000 mintages. That's gotta keep things in perspective.

Zrider · July 11, 2012 1:37PM

I have the 8 Libertys 4 Proofs and 4 MSs that I bought from the mint.. , I think thats it for me.

123cents · July 11, 2012 2:22PM

I bought the Liberty designs and that was it!

FullStrike · July 12, 2012 12:42AM

This is a Series that jumped off the West Wing Balcony and broke its own neck. Overspeculation and rising bullion prices along with a falling economy has ground interest down to nothing. There is basically no point in trying to buy the lowest mintage issue because with time, a new low threatens to occur as the Gold Spot rises.

Reminds me exactly of all the time and money I squandered chasing Platinum Eagles around Spotsylvania.

kiyote · July 12, 2012 1:38AM

<< There is basically no point in trying to buy the lowest mintage issue because with time, a new low threatens to occur as the Gold Spot rises. >>

I would agree/disagee to an extent..

1. Chasing the new lowest mintage takes effort and it's getting to the point that just 'cause a Spouse has the new lowest mintage doesn't mean anyone is even going to care. If Julia Grant ends up with a new low mintage you'll still be able to get them on the 'bay for only $100 more than what the mint sold them for.

2. That said, there's not much downside risk, other then if gold drops to $1200 an ounce or something.

BillJones · July 12, 2012 7:35AM

<< Your knowledge of the First Ladies is impressive, especially their flaws. >>

So you want some positive examples ...

Martha Washington undoubtedly helped her husband establish the tone and standard of demeanor for the presidency.

Abigail Adams, John’s wife and mother of John Quincy, was famous for her witty and perceptive correspondence with her husband. They made a wonderful team, and she was his “dear friend.”

Dolly Madison saved the famous portrait of the George Washington just before the British arrived in town to burn the White House during the War of 1812. She showed real courage.

Frances Fulsome Cleveland who was something 27 years younger than her husband was a tremendous political asset to him. The public loved her despite the fact that the story of their marriage would have had the modern super market tabloids running stories for weeks.

Eleanor Roosevelt’s politics were about the opposite of my own, and her treatment of her husband during their marriage was not pretty. BUT Franklin did describe her as his “eyes and ears” given his limited amount of mobility, and she was an influential political leader.

Jackie Kennedy brought class and breading to the White House. Her “Tour of the White House” TV special was truly an impressive event. Given her husband’s infidelity she put up with a lot. She could have caused quite a scandal at a critical time in our nation’s history, but she bore up under it.

I never said that all first ladies were bad or undeserving, but I think that honoring all of them with a commemorative coin is ludicrous.

Manorcourtman · July 12, 2012 10:02AM

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<< Just because you were married to a President of the United States does not make you worthy of U.S. commemorative coin. There are many other historical figures, male and female, who are far more deserving. >>

I don't know why these ladies do not get more credit for the sacrifices that they made being married to a President. Sure, they don't get awards, medals, or prestigious titles while living but they surely made quiet sacrifices that makes them all the more praise worthy. Sure, some were spoiled but then that goes for Presidents also. Look at our current Commander In Chief who cannot get off the golf course and don't tell me that he is doing buisness out there. Same with moms who take the time to raise children with character. They often get dumped on by the world but are more responsible for preserving civilization than most know. >>

If you would pick out a list of deserving First Ladies you point would be well taken. The trouble is the series covers all of them, and that's just plain wrong. As I have pointed out in the past, some like Jane Piece, Mary Lincoln and Florence Harding made things worse for their husbands. Jane Piece and Mary Lincoln were mentally ill. Florence Harding was mean spirited conniving woman who made her husband's life hell. Why should such people be honored by a U.S. commemorative coin?

Ida McKinley was a pathetic person who was rendered an invalid by epileptic seizures. Woodrow Wilson's second wife took over the White House after her husband suffered a debilitating stroke and limited access to him. Some historians have viewed her as "de facto president" during that period, and the reviews on her management have not been kind. Imagine what would have happened had Wilson suffered that stroke during the First World War?

With all of the deserving people in American history, including economic history, why devote an entire series indiscriminately to one level of the political class? That's why this series is so unnecessary and useless. >>

Not to hijack the thread but your view of Florence Harding is quite flawed in my opinion. She was credited with Warren's success at the newspaper he owned in Ohio and was called "the brains behind the business" by Warren. She was regarded as an elegant hostess who enjoyed seeing Warren become a success. She had to put up with his constant straying among the ladies. So I think she is deserving of recognition as are all the others, who deserving or not, are a part of our history. If I had the time I'd like to read a novel about every 1st Lady!

7Jaguars · July 12, 2012 11:08AM

Hmmm, would Warren have been better served by highlighting her faults?
Don't think so....

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