@EVillageProwler said:
This thread is a good case study in being careful with what one wishes for...
The OP comes on here asking for feedback over an issue, but instead presents himself less like a professional than he purports to be. I hope he realizes that he has customers and potential customers here.
Would actually like to know his/her ebay ID so I can be sure to steer clear of making any purchases if I haven't already.
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
BOOMIN!™
Wooooha! Did someone just say it's officially "TACO™" Tuesday????
I had a few Canadian transactions, seemed to be a lot more people trying to game the system than in the US; one guy pulled the same gambit, trying to get me to send the item without customs indications, said he always does that....Another accountant guy up around Montreal bought a proof US eagle gold then a month later opened a case claiming he never got it through ebay and his cc; sellers I have seen juice the images more than most US sellers from what I've seen, selling $30 or so coins for $150.
Technically, US customs can levy a 3% import tax on items valued over $800 coming into the US for US citizens. Found that out when I filled out a customs declaration honestly on a flight from overseas. They waived the tax because I was only over by a bit.
@amwldcoin said:
Excuse me? The coin is taxable under his country's laws and he was fully aware of the taxes and shipping costs before he made his 3rd offer on the coin!. I actually accepted an offer lower than I really wanted to because I understood he would be paying taxes!
@blitzdude said:
If a seller spouted off with some political crap like you did especially when you were wrongly charging a tax that was not supposed to be charged you certainly would be receiving a negative feedback from me. That's your customer and they asked a simple question then you went off on some tangent for no reason. Geeze no wonder the majority of the world thinks America is a bunch of arrogant a-holes.
OK well my bad, I thought numis were not taxed to Canada. He should have consulted you BEFORE the purchase if he is trying to get you to work the system. Bringing your political stuff into it was still not professional to put it nicely.
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
BOOMIN!™
Wooooha! Did someone just say it's officially "TACO™" Tuesday????
And what pray tell am I wishing for? If you are suggesting perhaps we should have to pay appropriate and equal import taxes from those countries who impose them on us I agree! That's what fair trade is about! Guess I'm a cranky ole fart in the booneys in most of responders eyes here!
@EVillageProwler said:
This thread is a good case study in being careful with what one wishes for...
The OP comes on here asking for feedback over an issue, but instead presents himself less like a professional than he purports to be. I hope he realizes that he has customers and potential customers here.
@EVillageProwler said:
This thread is a good case study in being careful with what one wishes for...
The OP comes on here asking for feedback over an issue, but instead presents himself less like a professional than he purports to be. I hope he realizes that he has customers and potential customers here.
Would actually like to know his/her ebay ID so I can be sure to steer clear of making any purchases if I haven't already.
Well...I may just be making a very little ripple in the pond...but that's what makes things change! You would be surprised how many times this has come up with me on sales to countries that charge ridiculous import taxes! And I have used this or a similar reply every time and more times than not the buyer agrees and completes the sale!
Everyone needs to stand up to what is fair! I'm actually quite surprised the direction this thread has turned.....So does everyone here want to continue to support all the social programs these counties have that we do not?
@amwldcoin said:
Excuse me? The coin is taxable under his country's laws and he was fully aware of the taxes and shipping costs before he made his 3rd offer on the coin!. I actually accepted an offer lower than I really wanted to because I understood he would be paying taxes!
@blitzdude said:
If a seller spouted off with some political crap like you did especially when you were wrongly charging a tax that was not supposed to be charged you certainly would be receiving a negative feedback from me. That's your customer and they asked a simple question then you went off on some tangent for no reason. Geeze no wonder the majority of the world thinks America is a bunch of arrogant a-holes.
OK well my bad, I thought numis were not taxed to Canada. He should have consulted you BEFORE the purchase if he is trying to get you to work the system. Bringing your political stuff into it was still not professional to put it nicely.
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@amwldcoin said:
Well...I may just be making a very little ripple in the pond...but that's what makes things change! You would be surprised how many times this has come up with me on sales to countries that charge ridiculous import taxes! And I have used this or a similar reply every time and more times than not the buyer agrees and completes the sale!
Everyone needs to stand up to what is fair! I'm actually quite surprised the direction this thread has turned.....So does everyone here want to continue to support all the social programs these counties have that we do not?
@amwldcoin said:
Excuse me? The coin is taxable under his country's laws and he was fully aware of the taxes and shipping costs before he made his 3rd offer on the coin!. I actually accepted an offer lower than I really wanted to because I understood he would be paying taxes!
@blitzdude said:
If a seller spouted off with some political crap like you did especially when you were wrongly charging a tax that was not supposed to be charged you certainly would be receiving a negative feedback from me. That's your customer and they asked a simple question then you went off on some tangent for no reason. Geeze no wonder the majority of the world thinks America is a bunch of arrogant a-holes.
OK well my bad, I thought numis were not taxed to Canada. He should have consulted you BEFORE the purchase if he is trying to get you to work the system. Bringing your political stuff into it was still not professional to put it nicely.
Now we're getting to the crux of your problem. First, let's deal with how you've been victimized, you poor miserable misbegotten second-class citizen of the world.
Surely you're casting your pearls before swine and, for doing so, have been paradoxically (perversely?) treated like one.
Misbegotten is misapplied. Could you be yet another nativist Know-Nothing who doesn't realize that he was born on third base but instead thinks he's entitled to claim he hit a triple?
A patriot would take our President's position on trade with Canada as recently articulated in his discussions on trade balances with their Prime Minister.
If you don't know the facts, just make something up and call it "truthful hyperbole".
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
Ah not too mention the US imposes heavy tariffs and duties on many many many many many products. We have a whole team to just to keep track of the HTS codes to file when importing.
m
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@amwldcoin said:
And what pray tell am I wishing for? If you are suggesting perhaps we should have to pay appropriate and equal import taxes from those countries who impose them on us I agree! That's what fair trade is about! Guess I'm a cranky ole fart in the booneys in most of responders eyes here!
@EVillageProwler said:
This thread is a good case study in being careful with what one wishes for...
The OP comes on here asking for feedback over an issue, but instead presents himself less like a professional than he purports to be. I hope he realizes that he has customers and potential customers here.
Take a breath please.
What you were wishing for was feedback on an issue of concern to you. What you got was a maelstrom, in part due to how (and what) you posted and in part that is simply the nature of the Internet.
One of the takeaways here is that many of the smaller dealers who frequent this forum needs to remember that their reputation is reflected in their perceived conduct by the retail base who may already be or may become customers. Ranting about politics to a potential new customer in Canada is not the most well-advised course of action.
But I'm sure you're a big boy and well aware of what you are doing so far be it for me to belabor this any further.
@amwldcoin said:
This is funny if it turns out to be and very fishy! I was trying to see how much I could ship and insure if I didn't go through the Global Shipping program. It turns out his registered ebay address is in Niagra Falls,NY! So I sent him an invoice and messaged him I ship free in the US. We will see if he pays. My scammer alarm is going off.
I have had many customers who have a U.S. address as well as a Canadian address. I even had someone who had a China address and a U.S. address (his brother). Depending on cost of shipping, they would direct me to one or the other.
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@logger7 said:
I had a few Canadian transactions, seemed to be a lot more people trying to game the system than in the US; one guy pulled the same gambit, trying to get me to send the item without customs indications, said he always does that....Another accountant guy up around Montreal bought a proof US eagle gold then a month later opened a case claiming he never got it through ebay and his cc; sellers I have seen juice the images more than most US sellers from what I've seen, selling $30 or so coins for $150.
Disagree. I've done hundreds of Canadian transactions and have never had a problem. Now, both your experience and mine are strictly anecdotal, but I certainly wouldn't characterize a whole nation or culture based on an individual's bad behavior.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, evn when irrefutably accurate.
The solution for the OP would be don’t ship to Canada if he is so bothered by it and if he is so principled. However, I think this whole thread was a soap box for him to espouse his political views. I found it rather transparent
m
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@amwldcoin said:
Well...I may just be making a very little ripple in the pond...but that's what makes things change! You would be surprised how many times this has come up with me on sales to countries that charge ridiculous import taxes! And I have used this or a similar reply every time and more times than not the buyer agrees and completes the sale!
I think you need to be careful about conflating the tax and trade issues. There are multiple taxes that could be levied, including VAT or import duties. We have the same issue within this country's borders with states trying to find ways to prevent their citizens from avoiding sales tax by buying over the internet. A foreign country also has a right to try and protect its tax code as well. If a non-U.S. country wants to charge VAT on imported goods to protect it's tax code and domestic producer of goods, that is between that government and its citizens.
I'd also point out that you already alluded to other "fairness" issues. If you live in a country that supplies health care to its citizens that potentially allows for more disposable income in its citizenry, it creates an entirely different compensation model as employers are not paying for health insurance. So, if you want "fairness" in international competition, you'd have to look at ALL taxes and services. And the picture would be individually different depending on whether you are a corporation, a richer individual or a poorer individual.
So, I assume you want socialized medicine as we are one of the last countries that doesn't have it? I suppose you want us to have a VAT, since we are one of the few developed countries without one? [end sarcasm]
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@Justacommeman said:
Ah not too mention the US imposes heavy tariffs and duties on many many many many many products. We have a whole team to just to keep track of the HTS codes to file when importing.
m
Alternative fact?
If THE birth certificate can be faked, why should we believe your paperwork?
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
@Justacommeman said:
Ah not too mention the US imposes heavy tariffs and duties on many many many many many products. We have a whole team to just to keep track of the HTS codes to file when importing.
m
Alternative fact?
If THE birth certificate can be faked, why should we believe your paperwork?
Since I'm often the importer of record I just went to pay the government what they are due. We owed 800k once because of a misinformed entry. I've had US Customs visit me on a number of occasions. None were social. I wouldn't do well in prison
m
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@amwldcoin said:
Well...I may just be making a very little ripple in the pond...but that's what makes things change! You would be surprised how many times this has come up with me on sales to countries that charge ridiculous import taxes! And I have used this or a similar reply every time and more times than not the buyer agrees and completes the sale!
Everyone needs to stand up to what is fair! I'm actually quite surprised the direction this thread has turned.....So does everyone here want to continue to support all the social programs these counties have that we do not?
1- You're saying most buyers who have to pay taxes agree with you and would rather not have to pay taxes? That's a shocker.
2- I'm not doing anything to support social programs in other countries. I'm simply filling out the customs form accurately, as required by law. Whatever happens after that isn't my problem. I also don't lose sleep over the possibility that a potential buyer can't afford a coin because he paid a large amount of his salary in taxes. I have my opinions about what the US government and my more local governments do, but that's unrelated to any international governments, and it's certainly not relevant to anything I communicate with a buyer on eBay.
I have found after 3 times in the same prison, you get to know the routine, know where you are in the social order, and it is pretty easy time after that.
@amwldcoin said:
I must say I am fabergasted by the attack on me. I digress...I guess I am just a bad guy.
I seriously doubt that
mark
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Now we're getting to the crux of your problem. First, let's deal with how you've been victimized, you poor miserable misbegotten second-class citizen of the world.
Surely you're casting your pearls before swine and, for doing so, have been paradoxically (perversely?) treated like one.
You forgot to ask the OP, "How does that make you [him] feel?"
Somehow I can envision the OP on a chaise longue with you as his inquisitor.
My T-Shirt has a picture of Mueller, not Savoranola.
I've been to Freud's house in London and seen that chaise longue.
I have a thing about asking myself questions.
And people who don't.
My last car had a bumper stick that said "My job is to comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable" .
It made the Freudians I worked with uncomfortable
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
I had a similar situation with some Parker fountain pens I sold several years ago to someone who lives in Canada. He asked that I not use the global shipping program, because he didn't want to pay customs agent fees. I shipped it with eBay shipping, and not really knowing how the global shipping program worked, didn't realize that was what I was actually using. I received an angry email from him that he was having to pay additional charges of $60 because I used the program after he requested I not, and we agreed to split the charges and ended the transaction amicably.
That was the last time I sold internationally, and do just fine without doing so.
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Would actually like to know his/her ebay ID so I can be sure to steer clear of making any purchases if I haven't already.
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
BOOMIN!™
Wooooha! Did someone just say it's officially "TACO™" Tuesday????
IMHO mentioning the president in sentence 2 of a business discussion is unprofessional.
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
Was that my reference to "bloviating"?
Ooooh, oooooh, oooooh.
Got me.
I had a few Canadian transactions, seemed to be a lot more people trying to game the system than in the US; one guy pulled the same gambit, trying to get me to send the item without customs indications, said he always does that....Another accountant guy up around Montreal bought a proof US eagle gold then a month later opened a case claiming he never got it through ebay and his cc; sellers I have seen juice the images more than most US sellers from what I've seen, selling $30 or so coins for $150.
Technically, US customs can levy a 3% import tax on items valued over $800 coming into the US for US citizens. Found that out when I filled out a customs declaration honestly on a flight from overseas. They waived the tax because I was only over by a bit.
OK well my bad, I thought numis were not taxed to Canada. He should have consulted you BEFORE the purchase if he is trying to get you to work the system. Bringing your political stuff into it was still not professional to put it nicely.
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
BOOMIN!™
Wooooha! Did someone just say it's officially "TACO™" Tuesday????
And what pray tell am I wishing for? If you are suggesting perhaps we should have to pay appropriate and equal import taxes from those countries who impose them on us I agree! That's what fair trade is about! Guess I'm a cranky ole fart in the booneys in most of responders eyes here!
It's in my sig line!
Well...I may just be making a very little ripple in the pond...but that's what makes things change! You would be surprised how many times this has come up with me on sales to countries that charge ridiculous import taxes! And I have used this or a similar reply every time and more times than not the buyer agrees and completes the sale!
Everyone needs to stand up to what is fair! I'm actually quite surprised the direction this thread has turned.....So does everyone here want to continue to support all the social programs these counties have that we do not?
Holy crap
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Now we're getting to the crux of your problem. First, let's deal with how you've been victimized, you poor miserable misbegotten second-class citizen of the world.
Surely you're casting your pearls before swine and, for doing so, have been paradoxically (perversely?) treated like one.
Misbegotten is misapplied. Could you be yet another nativist Know-Nothing who doesn't realize that he was born on third base but instead thinks he's entitled to claim he hit a triple?
A patriot would take our President's position on trade with Canada as recently articulated in his discussions on trade balances with their Prime Minister.
If you don't know the facts, just make something up and call it "truthful hyperbole".
Ah not too mention the US imposes heavy tariffs and duties on many many many many many products. We have a whole team to just to keep track of the HTS codes to file when importing.
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Take a breath please.
What you were wishing for was feedback on an issue of concern to you. What you got was a maelstrom, in part due to how (and what) you posted and in part that is simply the nature of the Internet.
One of the takeaways here is that many of the smaller dealers who frequent this forum needs to remember that their reputation is reflected in their perceived conduct by the retail base who may already be or may become customers. Ranting about politics to a potential new customer in Canada is not the most well-advised course of action.
But I'm sure you're a big boy and well aware of what you are doing so far be it for me to belabor this any further.
Regards,
EVP
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I have had many customers who have a U.S. address as well as a Canadian address. I even had someone who had a China address and a U.S. address (his brother). Depending on cost of shipping, they would direct me to one or the other.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, evn when irrefutably accurate.
Disagree. I've done hundreds of Canadian transactions and have never had a problem. Now, both your experience and mine are strictly anecdotal, but I certainly wouldn't characterize a whole nation or culture based on an individual's bad behavior.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, evn when irrefutably accurate.
The solution for the OP would be don’t ship to Canada if he is so bothered by it and if he is so principled. However, I think this whole thread was a soap box for him to espouse his political views. I found it rather transparent
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I think you need to be careful about conflating the tax and trade issues. There are multiple taxes that could be levied, including VAT or import duties. We have the same issue within this country's borders with states trying to find ways to prevent their citizens from avoiding sales tax by buying over the internet. A foreign country also has a right to try and protect its tax code as well. If a non-U.S. country wants to charge VAT on imported goods to protect it's tax code and domestic producer of goods, that is between that government and its citizens.
I'd also point out that you already alluded to other "fairness" issues. If you live in a country that supplies health care to its citizens that potentially allows for more disposable income in its citizenry, it creates an entirely different compensation model as employers are not paying for health insurance. So, if you want "fairness" in international competition, you'd have to look at ALL taxes and services. And the picture would be individually different depending on whether you are a corporation, a richer individual or a poorer individual.
So, I assume you want socialized medicine as we are one of the last countries that doesn't have it? I suppose you want us to have a VAT, since we are one of the few developed countries without one? [end sarcasm]
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, evn when irrefutably accurate.
Alternative fact?
If THE birth certificate can be faked, why should we believe your paperwork?
Since I'm often the importer of record I just went to pay the government what they are due. We owed 800k once because of a misinformed entry. I've had US Customs visit me on a number of occasions. None were social. I wouldn't do well in prison
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
1- You're saying most buyers who have to pay taxes agree with you and would rather not have to pay taxes? That's a shocker.
2- I'm not doing anything to support social programs in other countries. I'm simply filling out the customs form accurately, as required by law. Whatever happens after that isn't my problem. I also don't lose sleep over the possibility that a potential buyer can't afford a coin because he paid a large amount of his salary in taxes. I have my opinions about what the US government and my more local governments do, but that's unrelated to any international governments, and it's certainly not relevant to anything I communicate with a buyer on eBay.
I wouldn't have any coins if I refused to buy from odd ducks
I must say I am fabergasted by the attack on me. I digress...I guess I am just a bad guy.
I wouldn't do well in prison
I have found after 3 times in the same prison, you get to know the routine, know where you are in the social order, and it is pretty easy time after that.
I seriously doubt that
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
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You forgot to ask the OP, "How does that make you [him] feel?"
Somehow I can envision the OP on a chaise longue with you as his inquisitor.
My T-Shirt has a picture of Mueller, not Savoranola.
I've been to Freud's house in London and seen that chaise longue.
I have a thing about asking myself questions.
And people who don't.
My last car had a bumper stick that said "My job is to comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable" .
It made the Freudians I worked with uncomfortable
I had a similar situation with some Parker fountain pens I sold several years ago to someone who lives in Canada. He asked that I not use the global shipping program, because he didn't want to pay customs agent fees. I shipped it with eBay shipping, and not really knowing how the global shipping program worked, didn't realize that was what I was actually using. I received an angry email from him that he was having to pay additional charges of $60 because I used the program after he requested I not, and we agreed to split the charges and ended the transaction amicably.
That was the last time I sold internationally, and do just fine without doing so.