Came back from PCGS the other day as a 65, as expected. Workhorse of Colonial America along with the Spanish 2 Reales. Thanks @MrEureka for the support.
This appears to be a piece from Spain itself, and it is a date not listed in the SCWC. Also, there is no "8" numeral (for the denomination) anywhere. Is there some backstory? Why are you calling it 'colonial'?
So why are you bringing mixing Spanish homeland coins with the colonial coins?
My take, FWIW:
US Colonial dealers ran out of decent traditional colonial coins that can be flipped for a profit. So they conjured up fanciful stories of these things coming to our shores in trade and being circulated among the plebeians on the streets of East Lansing.
The problem is that the collectors of this material only want the pretty, UN-circulated examples, not the coins the plebes handled with their grubby fingers. Go figure.
My brain kinda converts pictures into the largest size possible, whenever a series features several different denominations with the same design. Then when I had asssumed an eight reales, I made another mistake looking at the back of the coin. Then I thought a bit longer and realized I was looking at a small coin,not a larger one. Brain fart.
I really didn't realize that substituting Spanish homeland coins for the colonial issues was a big deal in the commercial side of things. In my mind, they are two different things. I personally am condition conscious, but I don't insist on perfection, just coins that are better than average, when possible.
So why are you bringing mixing Spanish homeland coins with the colonial coins?
My take, FWIW:
US Colonial dealers ran out of decent traditional colonial coins that can be flipped for a profit. So they conjured up fanciful stories of these things coming to our shores in trade and being circulated among the plebeians on the streets of East Lansing.
The problem is that the collectors of this material only want the pretty, UN-circulated examples, not the coins the plebes handled with their grubby fingers. Go figure.
Spanish mainland coinage, in particular 1 reals and pistareens, circulated heavily in the tobacco colonies and are more of a colonial than most "colonials". Of course you know that are just being antagonistic.
@BillDugan1959 said:
My brain kinda converts pictures into the largest size possible, whenever a series features several different denominations with the same design. Then when I had asssumed an eight reales, I made another mistake looking at the back of the coin. Then I thought a bit longer and realized I was looking at a small coin,not a larger one. Brain fart.
I really didn't realize that substituting Spanish homeland coins for the colonial issues was a big deal in the commercial side of things. In my mind, they are two different things. I personally am condition conscious, but I don't insist on perfection, just coins that are better than average, when possible.
The Spanish mainland coins were debased while the colonial issues were not due to their need in global trade . As such the mainland coinage tended to circulate more heavily.
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Very sharp piece. That really should not exist in that condition given the appropriately described workhorse nature of those in colonial times.
This appears to be a piece from Spain itself, and it is a date not listed in the SCWC. Also, there is no "8" numeral (for the denomination) anywhere. Is there some backstory? Why are you calling it 'colonial'?
Exceptional piece!
Oh, so it's just a one real.
That answers that dating question then too.
So why are you bringing mixing Spanish homeland coins with the colonial coins?
Wow, sweet, congratulations !!!
You appear to be assuming a level of self-control rarely seen in this hobby.
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My take, FWIW:
US Colonial dealers ran out of decent traditional colonial coins that can be flipped for a profit. So they conjured up fanciful stories of these things coming to our shores in trade and being circulated among the plebeians on the streets of East Lansing.
The problem is that the collectors of this material only want the pretty, UN-circulated examples, not the coins the plebes handled with their grubby fingers. Go figure.
My brain kinda converts pictures into the largest size possible, whenever a series features several different denominations with the same design. Then when I had asssumed an eight reales, I made another mistake looking at the back of the coin. Then I thought a bit longer and realized I was looking at a small coin,not a larger one. Brain fart.
I really didn't realize that substituting Spanish homeland coins for the colonial issues was a big deal in the commercial side of things. In my mind, they are two different things. I personally am condition conscious, but I don't insist on perfection, just coins that are better than average, when possible.
Sweet coin!
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Spanish mainland coinage, in particular 1 reals and pistareens, circulated heavily in the tobacco colonies and are more of a colonial than most "colonials". Of course you know that are just being antagonistic.
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The Spanish mainland coins were debased while the colonial issues were not due to their need in global trade . As such the mainland coinage tended to circulate more heavily.
Here is a good article on the mainland coinages role in the colonies:
numismatics.org/wikiuploads/CNL/Pistareens.pdf
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