A bunch of fractional CA “gold coins” genuine or not?
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If not, are they made of gold?
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While I certainly cannot make really conclusive decisions based on those pictures ... and would not be able to on some anyway.... the last one.. to viewers right, I have seen noted as fake in other threads over the years. Cheers, RickO
Modern (circa 1950's - 60's) fantasies.
fakes and no gold
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They look too perfectly un-circulated to be genuine IMHO MS 64
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Cheap tourist junk.
Keep a small magnet in your pocket. Peace Roy
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Not 19th century CA fractional gold tokens.
Most are brass and hence not magnetic.
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If they don't have dol or dollar on the reverse they are for sure fake. If they do they still may be. If fake likely little or no gold, maybe plated. Tourist trinkets.
That’s not true. Between 1869 and 1882, many fractional gold tokens were made without denominations and most of them shared same obverse dies as they were used on CSDG (California small denominations gold). I can name 35-40 of them that either used CSDG obverse dies or had linkage with them.
I am not an expert, but was referring more to fractionals from Gold Rush times like the 1850's.
You're referring to the period 3 coins that were made after 1882 frequently using old dies that were dated prior to 1882.
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Just be careful with those things. I let the tpgs make those calls.
No, I did not refer to post 1882 period 3 tokens. I was told there are more than 3000+ different ones. I was talking about the tokens made between 1872 and 1882 that shared obverse dies with period 2 CSDG (California small denominations gold). I called them CNDG (California no denomination gold). There are about 35-40 known varieties and many of them are very rare (R8 to unique) and many were documented in BG-2 books.
...not with a ten foot...
99% of these are fake
Why is that? Have you found any of these CA Fractional Replicas to be magnetic. I'll see if I can find a magnetic one in the batch of about twenty I have.
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Most fakes are fantasy coins produced mostly in the 1960's. These fantasy coins have designs that don't match any of the originals which are shown in the standard reference for this series---"Small Denomination California Gold Coins" by Walter Breen and Ron Gillio. I have yet to see a fake that matches any of the coins in this reference book. Also, these coins are being slabbed by the major grading services so there are plenty available with guarantees of authenticity.
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most of these Modern fakes were issued by someone in the Cleveland, Ohio area, so we see a lot of them. they are typically crude and plated . I usually just reject them but if a customer insists I will scratch and check with acid for them. most people are a little disheartened but not surprised.
RE: "...but if a customer insists I will scratch and check with acid for them. most people are a little disheartened but not surprised."
Doesn't that hurt the customer? Do you scratch their arm or have the company cat do it?
I tested all I have. As I expected, none were magnetic.
5 X 99%= 4.95 are fake and .05 of one is real?
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