Error? 1916 Buffalo

AUandAG

Struck through cloth perhaps?
bob

FredWeinberg

Not struck thru cloth, imo.

Doesn't look like a lamination, either.

AUandAG

@FredWeinberg said:
Not struck thru cloth, imo.

Doesn't look like a lamination, either.

So, you think post mint damage, Fred?

bob

Insider2

PMD. Very common. We think it's from a counting wheel. The clue is the circular shape and how it digs into the relief. IMO, the granular part of the coin is corrosion and not a mint error.

AUandAG

@Insider2 said:
PMD. Very common. We think it's from a counting wheel. The clue is the circular shape and how it digs into the relief. IMO, the granular part of the coin is corrosion and not a mint error.

Not the circular part but the 'corrosion" part is what was throwing me off. Just looked like it had a pattern to my eye and thought a scrap of cloth or such. Fred says no, so NO it is!!

Just PMD I guess.

bob

amwldcoin

I vote for planchet flaw. The rest of the surfaces are just too nice and a distinct not blending separation between the 2 areas. Now if someone set out to do something like that purposely, if it could be done so well I would agree! I could also see it as a strike through....would have to be something mighty thin!

@Insider2 said:
PMD. Very common. We think it's from a counting wheel. The clue is the circular shape and how it digs into the relief. IMO, the granular part of the coin is corrosion and not a mint error.

FredWeinberg

Yes, I think it's damaged on those
surface areas from about 6 to 9:00

The 'texture' is wrong for a mint error
planchet or striking event.

Notice the rim in those areas are also
'rough' - unlike the rest of the rims.

Can't tell if it's from a counting machine
wheel, liquid, or ? without seeing it in-hand.
.

Insider2

@FredWeinberg said: "Notice the rim in those areas are also 'rough' - unlike the rest of the rims."

That's what I saw. The rag would need to be in the die chamber and on the press bed.

crazyhounddog

Looks like cloth to me. I can’t imagine how a counting wheel could have possibly created this. Yes I see the counting wheel mark but I’m pretty sure we’re looking at two issues here. JMO

ctf_error_coins

Not counting wheel. There is a counting weel mark thru Liberty tho

ctf_error_coins

Not counting wheel. There is a counting weel mark thru Liberty tho.

Need way better photos, or it needs to be examined in hand by an expert.

AUandAG

Thanks all, I passed on it. Won't be getting it in hand to examine.

bob

BuffaloIronTail

@crazyhounddog said:
Looks like cloth to me. I can’t imagine how a counting wheel could have possibly created this. Yes I see the counting wheel mark but I’m pretty sure we’re looking at two issues here. JMO

I think so too, Joe. Whatever the damage is it looks "textured". I also note the rim in the area of the problem. It "tends" to appear that something came between the die and the coin.

There are only so many things that can be figured out from a picture.

Pete

seanq

Overexposure to Nic-a-Date, perhaps? Definitely has the look of having been corroded, whether by acid or another compound.

Sean Reynolds

koynekwest

I think that's just a random patch of corrosion that's entirely unrelated to the counting wheel damage.

ricko

The effect is most prominent on the low points and barely visible as it gets into the high points of the braid. Not sure what that means, just an observation. It does appear to have a 'pattern' to it... This definitely needs to be evaluated in hand. Cheers, RickO

grip

Maybe jammed in one of these counters.

crazyhounddog

@grip said:
Maybe jammed in one of these counters.

Man that's an old one or there's a lot of room for improvement.

grip

Vintage. And pretty cool looking.