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Possible scratches from submission flips?
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I was talking to a local long term dealer who did some submissions of post-1940s coins he thought had excellent chances of grading 67/68 and was surprised that the grading did not bear out his preliminary estimates. And later he noticed some new hairlines likely a result of the submission flips. Is there a good way around this problem?
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Without any before/after photos, we have no clue if those hairlines are due to the flip. But, if it’s really the flip, I doubt there’s a way around it.
Always buying nice toned coins! Searching for a low grade 1873 Arrows DDO Dime and 1842-O Small Date Quarter.
"Anecdotal assumption?"
Let's ask if others have experienced this. I for one, have not. I see no problem with the flips that PCGS provides and I pack flips/coins very tightly so as to not allow for transit damage.
bob
I've often wondered about that. If a single grain of something gets in with the coin it could happen. Anything is possible.
For starters, never reuse flips.
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Said it before and I'll say it again......I really dislike flips.
I cringe putting my not-so-nice coins in those things.
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Sure. There are inserts that you can use of softer plastic. You put the coin in, fold it over once or twice, and place it in the flip. I have not been able to find them recently though and all I have left are small denomination inserts. In my most recent submission of proofs, I put my coins in soft cloth 2x2 inserts inside flips for protection. I doubt anyone will complain but they might.
Tom
This is what I use
Then I just SNAP them shut and put them away
Guess I know what I’m doing tonight.
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Hey guys, try an experiment as I have done a few times in class and let us know what the result is. Take an inexpensive proof quarter (I usually use a 1964) and start putting it back and forth into a plastic flip. Alternatively, get an old album with plastic slides and do the same test. Put in a proof and start moving the slides back an forth (make sure the coin is centered in the hole because THEN THE PLASTIC WILL NOT EVER
TOUCH IT ! Now I'll sit back and read more posts about the slide and flip marks holders make on our coins.
PS And the one time a little grit on a dirty coin leaves a hairline when you put it in a flip must be balanced against the other thousand times when nothing happens! Get my drift?
I don't usually put a coin back into an insert. If I do I always look the flip over and if it looks dirty I pull our a brand new one till I can find the right size snap. Now this latest 51mm 2 ounce coin I do not have a flip for them yet. Anybody know what they can fit in?
Look I just found them for a 51MM coin. I just ordered a few boxes of 5.
51mm - 5 XL Quadrum Square Coin Capsule Holders for Large Coins & Medals
https://www.ebay.com/itm/51mm-5-XL-Quadrum-Square-Coin-Capsule-Holders-for-Large-Coins-Medals/141385927347?_trkparms=aid=555017&algo=PL.CASSINI&ao=1&asc=20150817211758&meid=af802e1cad604c86a48cd51e364f744b&pid=100507&rk=1&rkt=1&&itm=141385927347&_trksid=p2045573.c100507.m3226
Problem Solved now I just wait.
Does anyone know where you can get a 50mm Coin World Slab type holder?
I have searched eBay and can't find any
They had 47mm and 51mm. I bet the 51mm will work grandam. Do you want me to send you one when mine come in?
Gluggo,
I have a 2 oz Dan Carr Peace Dollar that I want to holder in one. If you have one of those just see how it fits and LMK.
The largest that Wizard shows is 40.1 Silver Eagle size.
You got a link to the holders?
OK, I see above the holder you ordered,,,,,, I am looking for a holder that is approximately the same size as a PCGS Slab.
Thanks,
I see what your asking for Grand I will keep an eye for that.
How about the scratchability of various coins and metal? We have copper nickel, silver, gold and other combinations. I hadn't given much thought to the possibility of plastic leaving marks when doing submissions, more that they are in plastic and sealed so that the possibility of coins coming out in transit is prevented, I think that happened to me a couple times over the years though receiving will not tell you.
Years ago when I was actively submitting proofs, I distinctly remember putting the coin in a polyethylene bag before placing in the flip. PCGS supplied the flips and the bags. I do not recall any problems with those bags but they do not prevent hairlines.
Later I placed the coin in a capsule like the mint tends to use - never had a problem with those.
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Any type of microscopic grit that is on the coin or in the flip can, and usually will, move and cause hairline scratches. New flips are usually clean... often the grit can actually be on the coin at time of insert. The plastic slides in albums are notorious for producing hairline scratches. For protection of my special coins, I buy the snap together slabs. Cheers, RickO
Got my holders today to fit the 51MM 2OZ coins today. Happy I got them now I dont have to worry about scratches.
If coins are carelessly moved in and out of "Mylar" flips, scraping of the hard edge of the flip can occur. If one is concerned about decreasing "flip hairlines," the coins can be placed into polypropylene bags before placed into soft (read: PVC) flips before sent in for grading.
Who knows if this will prevent "flip hairlines" after the coins are removed and handled by the graders, but at least you can feel comfortable that YOU didn't cause any trauma to the coin's surface.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
I've found that the coin won't slip around in the vinyl flip if I first put it between two small piece of sandpaper. If the sand side faces the coin, this stops almost all movement. Some others might want to try squeezing white glue into the flip, then adding the coin....
No assurance what the coin will look like, however.
Gostaks distim doshes, or is it the other way around?