3 NEWPS, guess which 2 are CAC.....
Desert Moon
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Hi Folks,
With the ebay 15% bucks back I bought 2 new bust quarters. I also just got a new Merc for my side set of mercury dimes. 2 of these are CAC, 1 is not. Which 2 do you think are CAC and why, and/or which one is not and why? These discussions are always fun and a learning experience. Now you could go to ebay completed listings and find out, but what is the fun of that? Give it your best analysis. I will give some descriptions here. My bias on all 3 is that none of them have any issues, but want to hear what you think.
Best, SH
Click on the images to magnify..............
Coin 1. Definitely a 30 for wear using PCGS photograde. Look at all of that dirt in the devices and lettering, that is what CAC loves. In the protected areas, you can see the luster nicely under the light even if my images don't show it.
Coin 2. A lovely XF40 that is correctly graded. Nice luster under the light - has that 'sparkle' that unmessed with XF and AU gold and silver has from a build of patina over uncleaned surfaces. There is a pinscratch or two in the right obverse field and a rim ding at 10 o'clock, that is just about it. The kinds of things that are expected for an XF that must have spent quite some time doing its job in circulation. I love my XF's when they look like this. This is an upgrade from a P20/CAC for this die marriage.
A nice blast white, full band, Merc. PCGS has graded over a 1,000 in 66FB for the 1943. A few light marks on the obverse, a rough patch in the right upper field on the reverse with a scratch beneath. A really cool die gouge through the designers initials on the obverse. I confess to not being too particular for MS mercs in the 40's, they are pretty inexpensive and filling a hole here was the point. So maybe I did not get a good one for the grade? Whad'ya think?
Comments
I'd guess the two bust quarters have a bean. I cant see the merc getting it.
Same here.
Ditto
I'm not gonna guess but I don't like rim problems and the 1834 quarter has one. Roll the dice! I just can't get on the bandwagon!
Count me as the 3rd for the 2 quarters beaning. I think the merc may have a little pvc.
Tom
2 is not
No pass on #2. Rim issue.
1818/5 didn't get a bean just because
I think that the question cannot really be answered unless you know if the one without a sticker was actually submitted and rejected by CAC. I am assuming that having bought them on ebay that you don't know if the unstickered coin was sent in or not. Having said that, I think the Merc would be my pick for not CAC. Absent the reverse scratch it might, but I think that would hold it back. I like both the quarters. I have seen coins with similar rim issues CAC because I think JA will overlook such things if the coin look particularly unmessed around with. A ding on a well travelled coin< a scratch on an MS coin
Good point on this as I don't know if the non-CAC was ever sent in as I have not. The rim ding on the '34 does not extend too far on the edge itself toward the reverse - about 1/8 mm thickness max in the center then tapers to nothing away towards the sides of the ding - so barely a noticeable blemish on the edge.
Best, SH
I will use inference in my guess.
1) You are building a set of quarters and you have a preference for CAC for this effort
2) CAC did not sticker the Merc since it is not worthy enough to place a "buy" sticker for a run of the mill coin
Thus, the merc does not have a sticker.
"She comes out of the sun in a silk dress,
running like a water color in the rain...."
CAC stickers rim issues.
Bust Quarters seem to be held to a very high standard that is punishing as well as inconsistent. While the 1834 may not have received a CAC sticker, I would rather have this example than others I have seen graded 40 and higher. My vote would be for the dime... I just fail to see the need in getting a sticker for it to begin with. And frankly all three coins are nice, appropriately graded and just don't need stickers.
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I am not an expert on CAC coins... though I do believe that luster and originality are prime ingredients in their considerations.... as such, I think all three 'could' sticker.... Cheers, RickO
I would guess that the dime would not sticker - right field on reverse. Both Bust quarters look nice to me.
Old cleaning. And I would have added that #3 isn't either. So between those 2, I'd say the Merc is the 2nd CAC.
Since it's CAC's money on the line they could have chosen either one. Coin flip imo.
I'm going with both quarters getting the CAC sticker, they look nice for their grades.
1TwoBits
The ...certainty.... is stunning.
All right folks, thanks for all of the commentary. For reasons I don't get, someone sent the 1943 dime into CAC and got a bean on it. Go figure, I find it crazy that a $50 coin is in a slab, but a bean? Obviously it had no bearing on me buying it and the price, who cares about a bean on a $50 dollar coin?
The 1834 bust quarter is CAC. This is exactly the look that CAC likes. After looking at 1000s of bust quarters over the past few years, comparing CAC vs non CAC on the bourse, in auction viewing, sending in many to CAC, has helped me learn what CAC will bean. So I am pretty confident now that when an XF bust quarter with a CAC sticker on its slab is shown online, I know what it may look like in hand.
I got the 1818 based on the images from the vendor on ebay and the auction images elsewhere. Gave me enough info to make the buy, plus the return policy of ebay. But seeing in hand this is the kind of bust quarter I want in my die marriage collection. It will be sent off to CAC at some point, I think the chances are good for a sticker, but you never know, there are always surprises.
Best, SH
LOL! So all 3 might be CAC! Shouldn't run this test til you know!
We just as well have been guessing about how many bowel movements you've had in the last week. Pointless exercise. Did learn that CAC will approve minor rim dings.
Thanks for your thoughts...................
Got no idea, perhaps I am missing something with the 1818 and it did not pass. So I ask the world class experts here on these boards to assess. Why would that not be a proper thing to do? LOL.........
Best, SH
From what you said above it has not been to CAC! Has it????
I have not send it to CAC - by now, it is highly likely someone else did. Hence, chances are high that it is not a CAC coin - hence a blind test here to see if anyone could detect an issue (or two). If I told everyone up front that it had not been to CAC - it would not be an unbiased opinion I got back.
Best, SH