Good discussion and discourse. I love love love love football. Plus Fantasy Football is one of my favorite hobbies. Family Grudge Match champion this year ; )
I just don’t want to see it end in my lifetime. After I’m dead I don’t give a crap. I’ll be like Glicker postmortem. Bah hundbug
m
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@stevek said:
There may have been others before him, probably were, but Jim Otto was the first NFL player that i saw in the media who really came out and expressed the extreme pain and suffering he endured in his post NFL life. It was well publicized, at least ten years ago, possibly earlier. I'm not sure if CTE was addressed with Otto or not.
Just my opinion, I doubt if the NFL was fully aware of CTE before it became widely known. Certainly the NFL was aware of the physical side of it, the post NFL problems with player's pain and suffering...but should the NFL have to be responsible for that when the players were well aware of the risk?
Let's tell it like it is...football is one of the worst, perhaps the worst sport for lifetime injuries. However athletes can suffer injuries in all physical sports that affect them over a lifetime. Even golfers develop problems, and last time I heard that is a non-contact sport. Golfers develop tendinitis, back pain, muscle tears, etc. Should the PGA be responsible for that...should the PGA be sued for that?
ya and penn state didn't know what Sandusky was doing to little boys . Fact is every one of these owners would sit and watch you die and do nothing if it meant selling an extra hot dog or t shirt.
@Justacommeman said:
Good discussion and discourse. I love love love love football. Plus Fantasy Football is one of my favorite hobbies. Family Grudge Match champion this year ; )
I just don’t want to see it end in my lifetime. After I’m dead I don’t give a crap. I’ll be like Glicker postmortem. Bah hundbug
m
As I mellow into old age, I find the college game much more appealing. Exception is the moronic overtime protocol. I shut the game off and consider it a tie.
@Justacommeman said:
Good discussion and discourse. I love love love love football. Plus Fantasy Football is one of my favorite hobbies. Family Grudge Match champion this year ; )
I just don’t want to see it end in my lifetime. After I’m dead I don’t give a crap. I’ll be like Glicker postmortem. Bah hundbug
m
As I mellow into old age, I find the college game much more appealing. Exception is the moronic overtime protocol. I shut the game off and consider it a tie.
Man you need to work harder on your mellowing
m
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@stevek said:
There may have been others before him, probably were, but Jim Otto was the first NFL player that i saw in the media who really came out and expressed the extreme pain and suffering he endured in his post NFL life. It was well publicized, at least ten years ago, possibly earlier. I'm not sure if CTE was addressed with Otto or not.
Just my opinion, I doubt if the NFL was fully aware of CTE before it became widely known. Certainly the NFL was aware of the physical side of it, the post NFL problems with player's pain and suffering...but should the NFL have to be responsible for that when the players were well aware of the risk?
Let's tell it like it is...football is one of the worst, perhaps the worst sport for lifetime injuries. However athletes can suffer injuries in all physical sports that affect them over a lifetime. Even golfers develop problems, and last time I heard that is a non-contact sport. Golfers develop tendinitis, back pain, muscle tears, etc. Should the PGA be responsible for that...should the PGA be sued for that?
ya and penn state didn't know what Sandusky was doing to little boys . Fact is every one of these owners would sit and watch you die and do nothing if it meant selling an extra hot dog or t shirt.
I've stated many times that to NFL owners, football is about the money, and everything else is a distant second. And to NFL players, it's the exact same thing.
That being said, this case with CTE against the NFL was more about trial lawyers extorting money from those with deep pockets than it was about culpability. Everybody already knew that football is a rough game, a dangerous game, and that football players constantly banging into each other are going to suffer consequences from it.
Scumbag lawyers right now are busy conjuring up the next frivolous lawsuit from a company or organization that "should have known" about something that we all basically already knew.
Why the legal action was frivolous, is that to my knowledge, very few current NFL football players decided to forgo their contracts and quit the game. They are still playing the game despite their knowledge about CTE.
SteveK, tell us again how you really feel about lawyers, LOL..
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Just my opinion, I doubt if the NFL was fully aware of CTE before it became widely known. Certainly the NFL was aware of the physical side of it, the post NFL problems with player's pain and suffering...but should the NFL have to be responsible for that when the players were well aware of the risk?
There was a documentary about this a few years ago. Mike Webster of the Steelers was featured. The NFL had a study done that showed there was a problem with brain injuries, yet denied knowing about it. Somehow the study got leaked and the cat was out of the bag.
Those documentaries are often skewed to one side. The bottom line is that the whole situation was a lose-lose for the NFL. So in my view, the NFL took the easiest path to settle it, eliminate costly legal expenses, and keep the goodwill of their league intact.
Maybe so, but this one showed the report that had been in the NFL's possession that confirmed brain injuries were happening at the same time the NFL was saying there was no evidence.
Pretty cut and dried.
I played High School football and when I walked into the football locker room to try out for the college team, I did an immediate about face. No way I was going to be able to compete against these monsters. I realized playing football was dangerous and quit. In a way the players were pretty delusional if they didn't realize permanent damage was happening, but the NFL lied about it. It's a fact.
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@grote15 said:
SteveK, tell us again how you really feel about lawyers, LOL..
It's on topic in this conversation to illustrate what is going on out there. If you wish to ignore some of the factors involved in making these rule changes, well then that's your prerogative.
Here is another illustration of how "everybody" already knew that football is not a safe game. I would take a good guess and say that perhaps 4 out of 5 boys growing up have tried playing the game of football. Either on a field in their neighborhood or tried out for their grades 7-12 school team. Some continue to play and some don't, and I don't knock one bit those who don't. Those who quit, simply did not wish to take the punishment that the game brings to the human body. Some would call that being chicken, some would call that being smart...I call it smart, even though I've played a lot of football. I never considered playing football to be the "smart" thing to do - LOL
So...we all knew about the ramifications of the game and the possible consequences. We knew, parents knew, etc. It's obvious. Possible brain injury was obvious...it always was and always will be. It's impossible to make a dangerous game such as football, with its constant collisions, into a safe game.
BTW - in the game of baseball, the game in which you are an encyclopedia of knowledge, you of course know that on any pitch, a batter could get beamed and marred for life. And me knowing that, i guess that i wasn't "smart" either for having played a lot of baseball - LOL
And yes of course not as many baseball players suffer from CTE as football players, but that won't stop scumbag lawyers from sinking their greedy claws into the game of baseball at some point, if they haven't already.
Just my opinion, I doubt if the NFL was fully aware of CTE before it became widely known. Certainly the NFL was aware of the physical side of it, the post NFL problems with player's pain and suffering...but should the NFL have to be responsible for that when the players were well aware of the risk?
There was a documentary about this a few years ago. Mike Webster of the Steelers was featured. The NFL had a study done that showed there was a problem with brain injuries, yet denied knowing about it. Somehow the study got leaked and the cat was out of the bag.
Those documentaries are often skewed to one side. The bottom line is that the whole situation was a lose-lose for the NFL. So in my view, the NFL took the easiest path to settle it, eliminate costly legal expenses, and keep the goodwill of their league intact.
Maybe so, but this one showed the report that had been in the NFL's possession that confirmed brain injuries were happening at the same time the NFL was saying there was no evidence.
Pretty cut and dried.
I played High School football and when I walked into the football locker room to try out for the college team, I did an immediate about face. No way I was going to be able to compete against these monsters. I realized playing football was dangerous and quit. In a way the players were pretty delusional if they didn't realize permanent damage was happening, but the NFL lied about it. It's a fact.
We pretty much had a similar football path. At the main campus, Penn State only had one weight room at the time, and so everybody, students and athletes used the same facility...and so you could see how much the football players were lifting. I used to outlift many of the football players in the bench press, etc, and so i considered trying out for the team as a walk-on. However my intractable problem was speed. I run like a fast turtle (LOL) and while I had the strength, I knew that Paterno would have clocked my 40 time and probably cut me the first day. Looking back, it may have been an interesting experience trying out for Penn State, but there were so many other cool things to do at Happy Valley, that not trying out for the football team didn't bother me at all. My fraternity had all types of intramural sports, so i just played touch football, and other sports with that and had fun.
You know much more about the NFL/CTE litigation than I do. It sure was stupid of them to lie about it, because from my perspective, they gained absolutely nothing by doing that. Shows that even the smartest business people, sometimes make stupid decisions.
@DIMEMAN said:
These lawsuits are TOTALLY wrong!!!!
You guys need to educate yourselves. Both the cigarette companies AND the NFL knew there was proof of the damage being caused and lied about it. Cigarette companies were much worse.
Everyone should have known that these behaviors were dangerous, but when the powers that run the big companies lie about it they open themselves up to a lawsuit.
If the NFL would have just said "well what do you think is going to happen when big muscular guys smash their heads together, probably nothing good" they would have been off the hook. Instead they did their own study and then lied about the results.
It's right on the package man. And still people smoke.
@Justacommeman said:
Good discussion and discourse. I love love love love football. Plus Fantasy Football is one of my favorite hobbies. Family Grudge Match champion this year ; )
I just don’t want to see it end in my lifetime. After I’m dead I don’t give a crap. I’ll be like Glicker postmortem. Bah hundbug
m
As I mellow into old age, I find the college game much more appealing. Exception is the moronic overtime protocol. I shut the game off and consider it a tie.
Man you need to work harder on your mellowing
m
It is the game that is changing, not me. NFL sudden death overtime was the way to go. Rule was simple. First team to score wins. Now it takes a couple of paragraphs to explain. College should have adopted SD when they added overtime. Long ot is painful to watch and in both the pro and college games, adds concussion mileage to the heads of the players.
Just my opinion, I doubt if the NFL was fully aware of CTE before it became widely known. Certainly the NFL was aware of the physical side of it, the post NFL problems with player's pain and suffering...but should the NFL have to be responsible for that when the players were well aware of the risk?
There was a documentary about this a few years ago. Mike Webster of the Steelers was featured. The NFL had a study done that showed there was a problem with brain injuries, yet denied knowing about it. Somehow the study got leaked and the cat was out of the bag.
Those documentaries are often skewed to one side. The bottom line is that the whole situation was a lose-lose for the NFL. So in my view, the NFL took the easiest path to settle it, eliminate costly legal expenses, and keep the goodwill of their league intact.
Maybe so, but this one showed the report that had been in the NFL's possession that confirmed brain injuries were happening at the same time the NFL was saying there was no evidence.
Pretty cut and dried.
I played High School football and when I walked into the football locker room to try out for the college team, I did an immediate about face. No way I was going to be able to compete against these monsters. I realized playing football was dangerous and quit. In a way the players were pretty delusional if they didn't realize permanent damage was happening, but the NFL lied about it. It's a fact.
@Justacommeman said:
Good discussion and discourse. I love love love love football. Plus Fantasy Football is one of my favorite hobbies. Family Grudge Match champion this year ; )
I just don’t want to see it end in my lifetime. After I’m dead I don’t give a crap. I’ll be like Glicker postmortem. Bah hundbug
m
As I mellow into old age, I find the college game much more appealing. Exception is the moronic overtime protocol. I shut the game off and consider it a tie.
Man you need to work harder on your mellowing
m
It is the game that is changing, not me. NFL sudden death overtime was the way to go. Rule was simple. First team to score wins. Now it takes a couple of paragraphs to explain. College should have adopted SD when they added overtime. Long ot is painful to watch and in both the pro and college games, adds concussion mileage to the heads of the players.
Absolutely right!
The players are dog tired at the end of a 60 minute game, and should not have to endure a contrived overtime.
The overtime made sense for a championship game which is the way it used to be in the NFL, then the players had the whole off season after the game to rest.
Just my opinion, I doubt if the NFL was fully aware of CTE before it became widely known. Certainly the NFL was aware of the physical side of it, the post NFL problems with player's pain and suffering...but should the NFL have to be responsible for that when the players were well aware of the risk?
There was a documentary about this a few years ago. Mike Webster of the Steelers was featured. The NFL had a study done that showed there was a problem with brain injuries, yet denied knowing about it. Somehow the study got leaked and the cat was out of the bag.
Those documentaries are often skewed to one side. The bottom line is that the whole situation was a lose-lose for the NFL. So in my view, the NFL took the easiest path to settle it, eliminate costly legal expenses, and keep the goodwill of their league intact.
Maybe so, but this one showed the report that had been in the NFL's possession that confirmed brain injuries were happening at the same time the NFL was saying there was no evidence.
Pretty cut and dried.
I played High School football and when I walked into the football locker room to try out for the college team, I did an immediate about face. No way I was going to be able to compete against these monsters. I realized playing football was dangerous and quit. In a way the players were pretty delusional if they didn't realize permanent damage was happening, but the NFL lied about it. It's a fact.
@DIMEMAN said:
These lawsuits are TOTALLY wrong!!!!
You guys need to educate yourselves. Both the cigarette companies AND the NFL knew there was proof of the damage being caused and lied about it. Cigarette companies were much worse.
Everyone should have known that these behaviors were dangerous, but when the powers that run the big companies lie about it they open themselves up to a lawsuit.
If the NFL would have just said "well what do you think is going to happen when big muscular guys smash their heads together, probably nothing good" they would have been off the hook. Instead they did their own study and then lied about the results.
It's right on the package man. And still people smoke.
The heroin drug dealers should put on the package, "this dangerous garbage can and sometimes does kill you instantly" yet people buy it anyway.
@DIMEMAN said:
These lawsuits are TOTALLY wrong!!!!
You guys need to educate yourselves. Both the cigarette companies AND the NFL knew there was proof of the damage being caused and lied about it. Cigarette companies were much worse.
Everyone should have known that these behaviors were dangerous, but when the powers that run the big companies lie about it they open themselves up to a lawsuit.
If the NFL would have just said "well what do you think is going to happen when big muscular guys smash their heads together, probably nothing good" they would have been off the hook. Instead they did their own study and then lied about the results.
It's right on the package man. And still people smoke.
The heroin drug dealers should put on the package, "this dangerous garbage can and sometimes does kill you instantly" yet people buy it anyway.
@Justacommeman said:
Good discussion and discourse. I love love love love football. Plus Fantasy Football is one of my favorite hobbies. Family Grudge Match champion this year ; )
I just don’t want to see it end in my lifetime. After I’m dead I don’t give a crap. I’ll be like Glicker postmortem. Bah hundbug
m
As I mellow into old age, I find the college game much more appealing. Exception is the moronic overtime protocol. I shut the game off and consider it a tie.
Man you need to work harder on your mellowing
m
It is the game that is changing, not me. NFL sudden death overtime was the way to go. Rule was simple. First team to score wins. Now it takes a couple of paragraphs to explain. College should have adopted SD when they added overtime. Long ot is painful to watch and in both the pro and college games, adds concussion mileage to the heads of the players.
Absolutely right!
The players are dog tired at the end of a 60 minute game, and should not have to endure a contrived overtime.
The overtime made sense for a championship game which is the way it used to be in the NFL, then the players had the whole off season after the game to rest.
To be fair, overtime in the NFL was shortened last season to a 10-minute quarter vs the old 15-minute quarter, so how much more play are we really talking about here? Despite the shortening of the overtime period, not a single game ended in a tie last season.
I always felt an OT win by simply taking the opening kickoff and getting into FG range was kind of cheap. OT under the old rule had almost as much to do with winning the coin toss as winning the game.
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@Justacommeman said:
Good discussion and discourse. I love love love love football. Plus Fantasy Football is one of my favorite hobbies. Family Grudge Match champion this year ; )
I just don’t want to see it end in my lifetime. After I’m dead I don’t give a crap. I’ll be like Glicker postmortem. Bah hundbug
m
As I mellow into old age, I find the college game much more appealing. Exception is the moronic overtime protocol. I shut the game off and consider it a tie.
Man you need to work harder on your mellowing
m
It is the game that is changing, not me. NFL sudden death overtime was the way to go. Rule was simple. First team to score wins. Now it takes a couple of paragraphs to explain. College should have adopted SD when they added overtime. Long ot is painful to watch and in both the pro and college games, adds concussion mileage to the heads of the players.
Absolutely right!
The players are dog tired at the end of a 60 minute game, and should not have to endure a contrived overtime.
The overtime made sense for a championship game which is the way it used to be in the NFL, then the players had the whole off season after the game to rest.
To be fair, overtime in the NFL was shortened last season to a 10-minute quarter vs the old 15-minute quarter, so how much more play are we really talking about here? Despite the shortening of the overtime period, not a single game ended in a tie last season.
I always felt an OT win by simply taking the opening kickoff and getting into FG range was kind of cheap. OT under the old rule had almost as much to do with winning the coin toss as winning the game.
First off, each team had the opportunity to win the game in regulation and didn't. How many times did a team with the ball fall on it late to "go into overtime." Team with the ball first had a 60-40% advantage based on the win of the flip, however both teams have a defense. Their job is to stop the drive and get the ball.
Once they started wearing pink, the league got real wimpy real quick.
@Justacommeman said:
Good discussion and discourse. I love love love love football. Plus Fantasy Football is one of my favorite hobbies. Family Grudge Match champion this year ; )
I just don’t want to see it end in my lifetime. After I’m dead I don’t give a crap. I’ll be like Glicker postmortem. Bah hundbug
m
As I mellow into old age, I find the college game much more appealing. Exception is the moronic overtime protocol. I shut the game off and consider it a tie.
Man you need to work harder on your mellowing
m
It is the game that is changing, not me. NFL sudden death overtime was the way to go. Rule was simple. First team to score wins. Now it takes a couple of paragraphs to explain. College should have adopted SD when they added overtime. Long ot is painful to watch and in both the pro and college games, adds concussion mileage to the heads of the players.
Absolutely right!
The players are dog tired at the end of a 60 minute game, and should not have to endure a contrived overtime.
The overtime made sense for a championship game which is the way it used to be in the NFL, then the players had the whole off season after the game to rest.
To be fair, overtime in the NFL was shortened last season to a 10-minute quarter vs the old 15-minute quarter, so how much more play are we really talking about here? Despite the shortening of the overtime period, not a single game ended in a tie last season.
I always felt an OT win by simply taking the opening kickoff and getting into FG range was kind of cheap. OT under the old rule had almost as much to do with winning the coin toss as winning the game.
First off, each team had the opportunity to win the game in regulation and didn't. How many times did a team with the ball fall on it late to "go into overtime." Team with the ball first had a 60-40% advantage based on the win of the flip, however both teams have a defense. Their job is to stop the drive and get the ball.
Once they started wearing pink, the league got real wimpy real quick.
Rewarding a team with a win just for kicking a field goal on the opening drive of overtime (especially these days with kickers now routinely nailing 50+ yard FGs with ease) without letting the opposing team touch the ball is cheap, no matter how you try and twist it. (60% is a pretty decided advantage, too, btw.)
The circumstances leading up to overtime are irrelevant, really.
Your focus with the pink apparel (for breast cancer awareness, if you weren't aware) is also irrelevant and really has nothing to do with the topic of overtime. But I know how much you like to get that in, lol..
Wimpier imo is the whining we routinely hear so much about these days. The game is just as tough and as brutal as it was years ago, especially when you consider how much bigger, stronger and faster the players are today vs years ago. The number of concussions you see being sustained each week during the season clearly illustrates that fact. To assert otherwise is ignoring reality.
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@Justacommeman said:
Good discussion and discourse. I love love love love football. Plus Fantasy Football is one of my favorite hobbies. Family Grudge Match champion this year ; )
I just don’t want to see it end in my lifetime. After I’m dead I don’t give a crap. I’ll be like Glicker postmortem. Bah hundbug
m
As I mellow into old age, I find the college game much more appealing. Exception is the moronic overtime protocol. I shut the game off and consider it a tie.
Man you need to work harder on your mellowing
m
It is the game that is changing, not me. NFL sudden death overtime was the way to go. Rule was simple. First team to score wins. Now it takes a couple of paragraphs to explain. College should have adopted SD when they added overtime. Long ot is painful to watch and in both the pro and college games, adds concussion mileage to the heads of the players.
Absolutely right!
The players are dog tired at the end of a 60 minute game, and should not have to endure a contrived overtime.
The overtime made sense for a championship game which is the way it used to be in the NFL, then the players had the whole off season after the game to rest.
To be fair, overtime in the NFL was shortened last season to a 10-minute quarter vs the old 15-minute quarter, so how much more play are we really talking about here? Despite the shortening of the overtime period, not a single game ended in a tie last season.
I always felt an OT win by simply taking the opening kickoff and getting into FG range was kind of cheap. OT under the old rule had almost as much to do with winning the coin toss as winning the game.
I doubt if there are any stats on this, but it would be interesting to see the stats on player injuries the following game of having played an overtime game the week before, and if it is higher than normal.
I say the following game because during the overtime when the body is dog tired, it is of course more susceptible to say a nicked knee. But the rest of the body is tired as well so everything is moving slower and can't go all out which protects the nicked knee a bit and the player can still stay on the field. However if the nicked knee doesn't heal right during the week, then the next game is when the ACL tear or something such as that can occur when a player is fresh and going all out on a nicked knee caused by the previous overtime game.
In any event, in my opinion, overtime in football with possibly no winner is hypocrisy anyway, because after ten minutes, the game can still end in a tie. Extra innings makes sense in baseball, a game without a clock and much less physical exertion than football. In my view making football players play an overtime, is like if boxers had to fight extra rounds if the scheduled round bout ended in a draw. There should be no overtime in physically exhausting sports - the scheduled time limit is well enough.
@Justacommeman said:
Good discussion and discourse. I love love love love football. Plus Fantasy Football is one of my favorite hobbies. Family Grudge Match champion this year ; )
I just don’t want to see it end in my lifetime. After I’m dead I don’t give a crap. I’ll be like Glicker postmortem. Bah hundbug
m
As I mellow into old age, I find the college game much more appealing. Exception is the moronic overtime protocol. I shut the game off and consider it a tie.
Man you need to work harder on your mellowing
m
It is the game that is changing, not me. NFL sudden death overtime was the way to go. Rule was simple. First team to score wins. Now it takes a couple of paragraphs to explain. College should have adopted SD when they added overtime. Long ot is painful to watch and in both the pro and college games, adds concussion mileage to the heads of the players.
Absolutely right!
The players are dog tired at the end of a 60 minute game, and should not have to endure a contrived overtime.
The overtime made sense for a championship game which is the way it used to be in the NFL, then the players had the whole off season after the game to rest.
To be fair, overtime in the NFL was shortened last season to a 10-minute quarter vs the old 15-minute quarter, so how much more play are we really talking about here? Despite the shortening of the overtime period, not a single game ended in a tie last season.
I always felt an OT win by simply taking the opening kickoff and getting into FG range was kind of cheap. OT under the old rule had almost as much to do with winning the coin toss as winning the game.
I doubt if there are any stats on this, but it would be interesting to see the stats on player injuries the following game of having played an overtime game the week before, and if it is higher than normal.
I say the following game because during the overtime when the body is dog tired, it is of course more susceptible to say a nicked knee. But the rest of the body is tired as well so everything is moving slower and can't go all out which protects the nicked knee a bit and the player can still stay on the field. However if the nicked knee doesn't heal right during the week, then the next game is when the ACL tear or something such as that can occur when a player is fresh and going all out on a nicked knee caused by the previous overtime game.
In any event, in my opinion, overtime in football with possibly no winner is hypocrisy anyway, because after ten minutes, the game can still end in a tie. Extra innings makes sense in baseball, a game without a clock and much less physical exertion than football. In my view making football players play an overtime, is like if boxers had to fight extra rounds if the scheduled round bout ended in a draw. There should be no overtime in physically exhausting sports - the scheduled time limit is well enough.
never mind overtime , apply the same idea to the idiocy that is Thursday night football
This is why you have a 53 man roster.The new OT rules are a 100x better then the old rules
No major US sport has the possibility of ties except the NFL. However how many ties happen a year? One? None? Rare
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@Justacommeman said:
Good discussion and discourse. I love love love love football. Plus Fantasy Football is one of my favorite hobbies. Family Grudge Match champion this year ; )
I just don’t want to see it end in my lifetime. After I’m dead I don’t give a crap. I’ll be like Glicker postmortem. Bah hundbug
m
As I mellow into old age, I find the college game much more appealing. Exception is the moronic overtime protocol. I shut the game off and consider it a tie.
Man you need to work harder on your mellowing
m
It is the game that is changing, not me. NFL sudden death overtime was the way to go. Rule was simple. First team to score wins. Now it takes a couple of paragraphs to explain. College should have adopted SD when they added overtime. Long ot is painful to watch and in both the pro and college games, adds concussion mileage to the heads of the players.
Absolutely right!
The players are dog tired at the end of a 60 minute game, and should not have to endure a contrived overtime.
The overtime made sense for a championship game which is the way it used to be in the NFL, then the players had the whole off season after the game to rest.
To be fair, overtime in the NFL was shortened last season to a 10-minute quarter vs the old 15-minute quarter, so how much more play are we really talking about here? Despite the shortening of the overtime period, not a single game ended in a tie last season.
I always felt an OT win by simply taking the opening kickoff and getting into FG range was kind of cheap. OT under the old rule had almost as much to do with winning the coin toss as winning the game.
I doubt if there are any stats on this, but it would be interesting to see the stats on player injuries the following game of having played an overtime game the week before, and if it is higher than normal.
I say the following game because during the overtime when the body is dog tired, it is of course more susceptible to say a nicked knee. But the rest of the body is tired as well so everything is moving slower and can't go all out which protects the nicked knee a bit and the player can still stay on the field. However if the nicked knee doesn't heal right during the week, then the next game is when the ACL tear or something such as that can occur when a player is fresh and going all out on a nicked knee caused by the previous overtime game.
In any event, in my opinion, overtime in football with possibly no winner is hypocrisy anyway, because after ten minutes, the game can still end in a tie. Extra innings makes sense in baseball, a game without a clock and much less physical exertion than football. In my view making football players play an overtime, is like if boxers had to fight extra rounds if the scheduled round bout ended in a draw. There should be no overtime in physically exhausting sports - the scheduled time limit is well enough.
never mind overtime , apply the same idea to the idiocy that is Thursday night football
Excellent point, when the body has only four days, rather than seven days to heal up. Those extra days can and likely are vital in a number of situations to help prevent injury.
@Justacommeman said:
This is why you have a 53 man roster.The new OT rules are a 100x better then the old rules
No major US sport has the possibility of ties except the NFL. However how many ties happen a year? One? None? Rare
mark
I like the idea of essentially extending the fourth quarter. Take the short break and continue the game as it stood when time ran out. First to score wins in a ten or 15 minute period.
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
But it is nice to have that extra game to watch. Surely they could redo the schedule so that no one would have to play in 3 or 4 days.
Couldnt do it the first 4 non bye weeks nor the end of the season when the byes are done. Not possible
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Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
But it is nice to have that extra game to watch. Surely they could redo the schedule so that no one would have to play in 3 or 4 days.
Couldnt do it the first 4 non bye weeks nor the end of the season when the byes are done. Not possible
m
Yeah, I guess not.
You could do it during the byes week only cutting the total number of Thursday Night Games
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Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
To those questioning when & how the NFL knew about the concussion dangers - the NCAA noted the dangers of them and published guidelines for player treatment in the 1930s. Treatment suggestions included time off from athletic activity.
Interesting excerpt from the above article for Dimeman:
Cowboys owner Jerry Jones tells ESPN he'd push Troy Aikman to play through concussions "since all data that we have so far don’t point to any lasting effects, long-term effects from the head trauma." Aikman's career will be shortened by concussions.
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On NFL draft day coming up, when a player's name is called, and the player steps on the stage, we should expect most of them, if not all of them to say, "Sorry Mr Goodell, I'm not going to sign an NFL contract for millions of dollars or ever play professional football because I am deathly afraid of CTE."
In the meantime, all armed forces, police officers, fire fighters, miners, workers in manufacturing plants, builders, roofers, electricians, drivers, lumberjacks, airline pilots, and everyone else with a dangerous job, have quit their jobs, and hired the same law firm to extort money from their employers.
Thank goodness we can still get food from the supermarket. Oops, farm laborers have joined in on the lawsuit.
@Brick said:
Risk vs. reward. Some take great risks for tremendous reward. Some poor folks need to take risks far beyond the reward they bring to their family.
Too many Aaron Hernandez's though and the risk extends beyond the athlete.
@grote15 said:
Interesting excerpt from the above article for Dimeman:
Cowboys owner Jerry Jones tells ESPN he'd push Troy Aikman to play through concussions "since all data that we have so far don’t point to any lasting effects, long-term effects from the head trauma." Aikman's career will be shortened by concussions.
Jerry Jones is an idiot. Even "IF" he didn't know about long term effects......he should never had a player play "through" a concussion. I can't wait until the Cowboys have a new owner!
Im actually getting tired of all this complaining about the NFL, it is what is so if you hate it then don’t watch it. Honestly let me be real here, I couldn’t care less about the dangers these players face I care more about Military, Law Enforcement, Firemen and emergency workers who get paid absolute pennies compared to these professional athletes and go to work everyday.
@Coinstartled said:
Without complaining, we have no forum.
Yes, indeed, LOL..
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How can you have football without the kickoffs? That'd be like having baseball without Cracker Jacks And didn't the Yankees several years back learn the hard way that the song does NOT go "buy me some peanuts and Fiddle Faddle!" :P
Agree with you Mark. I was fortunately able to watch the Steelers at 50 yard line seats that my husband family had from the family garbage Hauling business. They had all of Pittsburgh and surrounding counties for most of the 80s even bailed out Waste management at some point. Unfortunate my ex husbands personality dident offset enough to stay and keep the tickets. I ran away from him and never looked back.
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Good discussion and discourse. I love love love love football. Plus Fantasy Football is one of my favorite hobbies. Family Grudge Match champion this year ; )
I just don’t want to see it end in my lifetime. After I’m dead I don’t give a crap. I’ll be like Glicker postmortem. Bah hundbug
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
As I mellow into old age, I find the college game much more appealing. Exception is the moronic overtime protocol. I shut the game off and consider it a tie.
Man you need to work harder on your mellowing
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I've stated many times that to NFL owners, football is about the money, and everything else is a distant second. And to NFL players, it's the exact same thing.
That being said, this case with CTE against the NFL was more about trial lawyers extorting money from those with deep pockets than it was about culpability. Everybody already knew that football is a rough game, a dangerous game, and that football players constantly banging into each other are going to suffer consequences from it.
Scumbag lawyers right now are busy conjuring up the next frivolous lawsuit from a company or organization that "should have known" about something that we all basically already knew.
Why the legal action was frivolous, is that to my knowledge, very few current NFL football players decided to forgo their contracts and quit the game. They are still playing the game despite their knowledge about CTE.
SteveK, tell us again how you really feel about lawyers, LOL..
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Maybe so, but this one showed the report that had been in the NFL's possession that confirmed brain injuries were happening at the same time the NFL was saying there was no evidence.
Pretty cut and dried.
I played High School football and when I walked into the football locker room to try out for the college team, I did an immediate about face. No way I was going to be able to compete against these monsters. I realized playing football was dangerous and quit. In a way the players were pretty delusional if they didn't realize permanent damage was happening, but the NFL lied about it. It's a fact.
It's on topic in this conversation to illustrate what is going on out there. If you wish to ignore some of the factors involved in making these rule changes, well then that's your prerogative.
Here is another illustration of how "everybody" already knew that football is not a safe game. I would take a good guess and say that perhaps 4 out of 5 boys growing up have tried playing the game of football. Either on a field in their neighborhood or tried out for their grades 7-12 school team. Some continue to play and some don't, and I don't knock one bit those who don't. Those who quit, simply did not wish to take the punishment that the game brings to the human body. Some would call that being chicken, some would call that being smart...I call it smart, even though I've played a lot of football. I never considered playing football to be the "smart" thing to do - LOL
So...we all knew about the ramifications of the game and the possible consequences. We knew, parents knew, etc. It's obvious. Possible brain injury was obvious...it always was and always will be. It's impossible to make a dangerous game such as football, with its constant collisions, into a safe game.
BTW - in the game of baseball, the game in which you are an encyclopedia of knowledge, you of course know that on any pitch, a batter could get beamed and marred for life. And me knowing that, i guess that i wasn't "smart" either for having played a lot of baseball - LOL
And yes of course not as many baseball players suffer from CTE as football players, but that won't stop scumbag lawyers from sinking their greedy claws into the game of baseball at some point, if they haven't already.
We pretty much had a similar football path. At the main campus, Penn State only had one weight room at the time, and so everybody, students and athletes used the same facility...and so you could see how much the football players were lifting. I used to outlift many of the football players in the bench press, etc, and so i considered trying out for the team as a walk-on. However my intractable problem was speed. I run like a fast turtle (LOL) and while I had the strength, I knew that Paterno would have clocked my 40 time and probably cut me the first day. Looking back, it may have been an interesting experience trying out for Penn State, but there were so many other cool things to do at Happy Valley, that not trying out for the football team didn't bother me at all. My fraternity had all types of intramural sports, so i just played touch football, and other sports with that and had fun.
You know much more about the NFL/CTE litigation than I do. It sure was stupid of them to lie about it, because from my perspective, they gained absolutely nothing by doing that. Shows that even the smartest business people, sometimes make stupid decisions.
It's right on the package man. And still people smoke.
Long as no change comes to the cheerleaders.
It is the game that is changing, not me. NFL sudden death overtime was the way to go. Rule was simple. First team to score wins. Now it takes a couple of paragraphs to explain. College should have adopted SD when they added overtime. Long ot is painful to watch and in both the pro and college games, adds concussion mileage to the heads of the players.
I felt the same way about the Scrabble team.
Absolutely right!
The players are dog tired at the end of a 60 minute game, and should not have to endure a contrived overtime.
The overtime made sense for a championship game which is the way it used to be in the NFL, then the players had the whole off season after the game to rest.
Them Scrabble team players are mental giants.
The heroin drug dealers should put on the package, "this dangerous garbage can and sometimes does kill you instantly" yet people buy it anyway.
Now, if they had to wear skimpier outfits, i'd have no complaint about that.
...when they can get better stuff from their MD.
To be fair, overtime in the NFL was shortened last season to a 10-minute quarter vs the old 15-minute quarter, so how much more play are we really talking about here? Despite the shortening of the overtime period, not a single game ended in a tie last season.
I always felt an OT win by simply taking the opening kickoff and getting into FG range was kind of cheap. OT under the old rule had almost as much to do with winning the coin toss as winning the game.
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First off, each team had the opportunity to win the game in regulation and didn't. How many times did a team with the ball fall on it late to "go into overtime." Team with the ball first had a 60-40% advantage based on the win of the flip, however both teams have a defense. Their job is to stop the drive and get the ball.
Once they started wearing pink, the league got real wimpy real quick.
Rewarding a team with a win just for kicking a field goal on the opening drive of overtime (especially these days with kickers now routinely nailing 50+ yard FGs with ease) without letting the opposing team touch the ball is cheap, no matter how you try and twist it. (60% is a pretty decided advantage, too, btw.)
The circumstances leading up to overtime are irrelevant, really.
Your focus with the pink apparel (for breast cancer awareness, if you weren't aware) is also irrelevant and really has nothing to do with the topic of overtime. But I know how much you like to get that in, lol..
Wimpier imo is the whining we routinely hear so much about these days. The game is just as tough and as brutal as it was years ago, especially when you consider how much bigger, stronger and faster the players are today vs years ago. The number of concussions you see being sustained each week during the season clearly illustrates that fact. To assert otherwise is ignoring reality.
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The hits are real as well as the caterwauling simpy kneeling America hating athletes.
If you can't defend the offense in OT, your team is not NFL ready.
I doubt if there are any stats on this, but it would be interesting to see the stats on player injuries the following game of having played an overtime game the week before, and if it is higher than normal.
I say the following game because during the overtime when the body is dog tired, it is of course more susceptible to say a nicked knee. But the rest of the body is tired as well so everything is moving slower and can't go all out which protects the nicked knee a bit and the player can still stay on the field. However if the nicked knee doesn't heal right during the week, then the next game is when the ACL tear or something such as that can occur when a player is fresh and going all out on a nicked knee caused by the previous overtime game.
In any event, in my opinion, overtime in football with possibly no winner is hypocrisy anyway, because after ten minutes, the game can still end in a tie. Extra innings makes sense in baseball, a game without a clock and much less physical exertion than football. In my view making football players play an overtime, is like if boxers had to fight extra rounds if the scheduled round bout ended in a draw. There should be no overtime in physically exhausting sports - the scheduled time limit is well enough.
never mind overtime , apply the same idea to the idiocy that is Thursday night football
This is why you have a 53 man roster.The new OT rules are a 100x better then the old rules
No major US sport has the possibility of ties except the NFL. However how many ties happen a year? One? None? Rare
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Excellent point, when the body has only four days, rather than seven days to heal up. Those extra days can and likely are vital in a number of situations to help prevent injury.
I like the idea of essentially extending the fourth quarter. Take the short break and continue the game as it stood when time ran out. First to score wins in a ten or 15 minute period.
Thursday Night Football is dumb
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
But it is nice to have that extra game to watch. Surely they could redo the schedule so that no one would have to play in 3 or 4 days.
Couldnt do it the first 4 non bye weeks nor the end of the season when the byes are done. Not possible
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Yeah, I guess not.
You could do it during the byes week only cutting the total number of Thursday Night Games
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
They should do that. Nobody should have to play after 3 or 4 days rest.
College on Thursdays is good enough.
But I don't watch College.
Knitting is good too.
Ah Knitting.......pretty far down on my list of things to watch......but well ABOVE Soccer.
To those questioning when & how the NFL knew about the concussion dangers - the NCAA noted the dangers of them and published guidelines for player treatment in the 1930s. Treatment suggestions included time off from athletic activity.
https://deadspin.com/a-timeline-of-concussion-science-and-nfl-denial-1222395754
Interesting excerpt from the above article for Dimeman:
Cowboys owner Jerry Jones tells ESPN he'd push Troy Aikman to play through concussions "since all data that we have so far don’t point to any lasting effects, long-term effects from the head trauma." Aikman's career will be shortened by concussions.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
On NFL draft day coming up, when a player's name is called, and the player steps on the stage, we should expect most of them, if not all of them to say, "Sorry Mr Goodell, I'm not going to sign an NFL contract for millions of dollars or ever play professional football because I am deathly afraid of CTE."
In the meantime, all armed forces, police officers, fire fighters, miners, workers in manufacturing plants, builders, roofers, electricians, drivers, lumberjacks, airline pilots, and everyone else with a dangerous job, have quit their jobs, and hired the same law firm to extort money from their employers.
Thank goodness we can still get food from the supermarket. Oops, farm laborers have joined in on the lawsuit.
Risk vs. reward. Some take great risks for tremendous reward. Some poor folks need to take risks far beyond the reward they bring to their family.
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Too many Aaron Hernandez's though and the risk extends beyond the athlete.
Jerry Jones is an idiot. Even "IF" he didn't know about long term effects......he should never had a player play "through" a concussion. I can't wait until the Cowboys have a new owner!
Im actually getting tired of all this complaining about the NFL, it is what is so if you hate it then don’t watch it. Honestly let me be real here, I couldn’t care less about the dangers these players face I care more about Military, Law Enforcement, Firemen and emergency workers who get paid absolute pennies compared to these professional athletes and go to work everyday.
Without complaining, we have no forum.
Yes, indeed, LOL..
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How can you have football without the kickoffs? That'd be like having baseball without Cracker Jacks
And didn't the Yankees several years back learn the hard way that the song does NOT go "buy me some peanuts and Fiddle Faddle!" :P
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Agree with you Mark. I was fortunately able to watch the Steelers at 50 yard line seats that my husband family had from the family garbage Hauling business. They had all of Pittsburgh and surrounding counties for most of the 80s even bailed out Waste management at some point. Unfortunate my ex husbands personality dident offset enough to stay and keep the tickets. I ran away from him and never looked back.
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