An interesting toning progression of the Silver Eagle

coinsarefun

I think I posted this a few years back, but now since its an additional few years I thought I would post again.
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I bought this 1999 ASE in the old PCI holder, cant find my old pic's though, (but it looked like the trueview)
I sent it in the be graded and received the trueview, very happy and pretty coin.
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I sold it a year or so after that and then another year later bought it back. And it toned more and quite different
from its original trueview. And I know that the person I sold it to did nothing to it as he is a great member here.
Also, it came back to me looking exactly like the original.
I went a head and had it re imaged and a new trueview made.
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A few additional years pass by add you can see the toning keeps progressing.
The most significant change is between the first and second trueview and the third is just deepening.
While its far from terminal I want to say that I have almost 100 various years of toned ASE'S
in various holders and raw but never have seen toning progression like this.
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I am in no way saying this particular coin has had help because it didn't. I am saying that not all
toned silver eagles will deepen or change dramatically in color.
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I'm curious if anyone else here has had this happen, it would be nice to see them.
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Original (first) Trueview
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Second Trueview
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This is my image for comparison of what it looks like now.
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Gluggo

Wow it this eventually going to go fully Black?

coinsarefun

@Gluggo said:
Wow it this eventually going to go fully Black?

Eventually it might go terminal but I don't think anytime soon.
The time between the first and second was a few years. The time between 2nd and third image has been
7-8 years

CascadeChris

Yup. It's fun to photo-chronograph PCI Eagle toners. There's an interesting thread on this forum from a while back showing a neat progression. Maybe someone can find it.

Insider2

THANKS for your post. Very informative! It is a darn shame that coin was not removed from its slab at the original image. That's all I will say.

I worked at PCI in the 1990's when that firm started to put 100% White on the labels as Brilliant White coins were prefered over toned coins by most folks. Toning was out. I had the unfortunate experience of dumping complete rolls of old, bank-wrapped Morgan's with spectacular rainbow coins into ammonia to make them "acceptable" for the Shop at Home masses. Who knew?

The PCI labels, ink, and insert caused the toning to develop. Monday I'll post an interesting image.

coinsarefun

@Insider2 said:
THANKS for your post. Very informative! It is a darn shame that coin was not removed from its slab at the original image.

It was, I sent the PCI holder in when it looked liked the first trueview. Years later it darkened into what the second pic looks like.
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Another not.......I have seen tons of PCI hollered eagles with this color toning and would love to see what they look like now. Maybe some stayed the same , maybe others darkened.
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I think that definitely the holder had its impact on the toning. But either removing it or leaving it in
the PCI holder really doesn't guaranty any control over the toning. Silver will tone the way it wants to.
I have a Morgan silver round which I posted and now found the original thread here

Insider2

@coinsarefun said: "I think that definitely the holder had its impact on the toning. But either removing it or leaving it in the PCI holder really doesn't guaranty any control over the toning. Silver will tone the way it wants to."

While what you posted is basically true...AFAIK, removing something from the conditions of its environment that are causing the discoloration MAY actually impede its destruction into a permanently irreversible, unsightly (to some of us), lump of metal.

bolivarshagnasty

@Insider2 said:
@coinsarefun said: "I think that definitely the holder had its impact on the toning. But either removing it or leaving it in the PCI holder really doesn't guaranty any control over the toning. Silver will tone the way it wants to."

While what you posted is basically true...AFAIK, removing something from the conditions of its environment that are causing the discoloration MAY actually impede its destruction into a permanently irreversible, unsightly (to some of us), lump of metal.

So which is it Insider? Leave it in the holder, or remove it?

Insider2

Sorry. I really need to communicate in better English: Removing something from the conditions of its environment that are causing the discoloration WILL actually impede its destruction into a permanently irreversible, unsightly (to some of us), lump of metal.

I used "MAY" to CMA as few things are 100% certain and there MAY be some nitpicking trolls reading my posts.

smokincoin

@CascadeChris said:
Yup. It's fun to photo-chronograph PCI Eagle toners. There's an interesting thread on this forum from a while back showing a neat progression. Maybe someone can find it.

I believe it was Sunnywood's thread...
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/708296/towards-an-understanding-of-the-color-progression-on-toned-coins/p1

coinsarefun

@Insider2 said:
Sorry. I really need to communicate in better English: Removing something from the conditions of its environment that are causing the discoloration WILL actually impede its destruction into a permanently irreversible, unsightly (to some of us), lump of metal.

I have over 200 slabs in the safe with countless copper and silver. While I do agree with your statement there are rare occasions where it just keeps toning as none of my other copper or silver coins toned darker.

smokincoin

Another one from Sunnywood...
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/708592/a-proposed-new-classification-system-for-toned-coins/p1

Insider2

@coinsarefun said:

@Insider2 said:
Sorry. I really need to communicate in better English: Removing something from the conditions of its environment that are causing the discoloration WILL actually impede its destruction into a permanently irreversible, unsightly (to some of us), lump of metal.

I have over 200 slabs in the safe with countless copper and silver. While I do agree with your statement there are rare occasions where it just keeps toning as none of my other copper or silver coins toned darker.

I'll suggest that any of your coins that are starting to CORRODE at their edge be removed from where they reside and placed into something else. You may also wish to check the conditions INSIDE your safe. There are many products on the market that can be used to improve it.

bolivarshagnasty

@Insider2 said:
Sorry. I really need to communicate in better English: Removing something from the conditions of its environment that are causing the discoloration WILL actually impede its destruction into a permanently irreversible, unsightly (to some of us), lump of metal.

I used "MAY" to CMA as few things are 100% certain and there MAY be some nitpicking trolls reading my posts.

The images provided by Stef would contradict your theory. They are all pics from the same PCGS holder taken years apart. I have had the same experience with PCI holdered ASE's. Some continue to tone after being moved into PCGS holders, some do not. I have owned examples of both. Consider this a learning experience.

Insider2

I don't care what holders the coins are in. When the rims of a coin turn black the coin has become environmentally damaged. It is irrefutably CORRODED.

There are thousands of folks who will not admit that fact. Some also call beautiful rainbow toning environmental damage - they are technically correct but it has become extremely desirable to many - especially before it becomes terminal and unattractive as the OP's once beautiful coin. Ask yourself this. In a poll of members, which coin has the most attractive appearance #1 or #3.

PS Thanks for your comments that allowed me to write what I really thought about that piece.

coinsarefun

@Insider2 said:
I don't care what holders the coins are in. When the rims of a coin turn black the coin has become environmentally damaged. It is irrefutably CORRODED.

I think this thread went down the wrong road
I do appreciate your thoughts insider. I didn't mean to post these and give a feeling that the coin is terminal, or very close to it.
The rims are not dark or black, perhaps the images show as such but they are not. If I have time I will go get the coin again and take some close ups of the edge.
I also meant to post this as an interesting toning progression. If anyone has seen the a toned Eagle
in the PCI holder like the color of the first coin it looks very pastel and quite light in color.
Whereas the next few pictures in progresses into a deeper with luster toning and is much more appealing than the original lightly pastel toned coin.
I hope this clears up a few things......if not....enjoy posting away
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I think most people that enjoy toned coins would pick the last one over the first, if they had both in hand, side by side.

ricko

Interesting tarnish progression Stef... I remember your previous thread on the silver round....Documentation such as these photographs are excellent instructional tools for collectors.... True, not all ASE's (or other silver) will tarnish at the same rate or even the same appearance....so much depends on both the storage environment and the coin itself (alloy, pressures at minting, even planchet prep). Thanks for posting this... though I am not a fan of tarnish, I spent a couple of years (back in 2002, 2003 or so) experimenting with coins, compounds, methods of inducing tarnish. Learned a lot about AT.... and the process that occurs. That was also back when Sunnywood was posting his studies. Thanks for the pictures...Cheers, RickO

BAJJERFAN

It sho do make the milk spots stand out don't it!