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The Bella A&A Saint set is set for auction. Will it meet the reserve?
Kenneth1830
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Here we go, bidding on the A&A Saint set is about to get underway. There is without question some great coins in this collection, however some of these coins are only marginal for the grade. The biggest obstacle may be that the set is being sold in its entirety. No cherry picking Charlie!. Additionally, I believe Barry Stuppler has overvalued the set and there may indeed be an unrealistic reserve.
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got a link? TYIA
www.saintset.com
Estimates seem high
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
$6,766,000
Total estimated value of the 52 coin set, on the low side. My guess would that the reserve will set about here, or perhaps at 7 million?. But it does seem high!
yes, the set is too much. they are fishing period. everyone who is in the know has had the chance to tire kick that set.
if they sell it, I'd put every saint I own on fleabay and would advise everyone else to do so too immediately! good luck to them. I am waiting for the price to drop.
This is appropriate if master collectors @SteveDuckor or @STEWARTBLAYNUMIS offers the information pre-sale.
Any conscientious dealer would be be out-of bounds-to not give a conscientious opinion to a client. Bad form for any dealer, who should know better, than to publically crap on what is obviously the property of a collector.
That opinion is for clients.
As we have previously discussed privately, poisoning a sale is NOT a public service announcement
In other late-breaking news; the sky is not falling.
This thread is about to get very interesting.....
Pricing aside and I am the last to hear of any information, several of the coins are drop dead gorgeous.
Genuine stunners...like the.....
Flat Edge HR 66 CAC, nice looking, I know who REALLY wants this coin, I hope they get it.
1909-D 67 CAC, are you freaking serious? Wow!
1908-D Motto 66+CAC NIce!, tough coin.
The 30-S and 32 in 66+ CAC are sssooo rare.
@SethChandler - your 66+ CAC should be seen in-hand !!!! Do I remember you displaying it a few ANA's or FUN's ago?
A great 30-S make me gulp. 32P lustre-bombs pulsate with a vibrancy greater than any other date in the entire series.
Having never heard of this set before dinner tonight, where can it be located and viewed?
I am sure there is a reason behind selling as a set... I would guess so the 'dogs' are not left behind....That being said, there would have to be a lot of dogs to make it worthwhile... I just do not think someone will step up for the entire set....I have been wrong before - more times than I care to remember
...Cheers, RickO
what poison? calling something to expensive is not. Saying something about the quality would be. And there is not much wrong w/the quality in that set.
I make no bones about it-I am a buyer of the set at the right price-and I had made them a very real offer months ago. I am very sincere when i say I hope they get their price-as I will flood ebay with coins! Obviously Ebay would then have proven to have the bigger spenders!
To someone in Asia flush with cash, the set could be a great value. All of us here are stuck on our numbers. I can't blame them for fishing for a buyer.
Less than 24 hrs. You have your prebid approval yet?
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
I will just have to settle for Daniel Carrs version and pretend my Brass is the real thing!
And keep working. 
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I will flood ebay with coins! Obviously Ebay would then have proven to have the bigger spenders!
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"Flooding" Ebay with 30-s and 32 Saints? This I gotta see. I might sell my 2 rolls of them.
After 24 hours up to $75,000. I predict the reserve at $5M. Am I high or low? Who think the set will sell?
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
Well, they didn't like my bid of double melt....
The reserve will be much higher and it won’t be hit
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
The bid went from $1.5M to $3.5M today. Start to cook.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
While it doesn't say it... I was under the impression it was a complete set! Of course the 33 wouldn't be part of the set but the 27-D is! Where's the 27-D?
I don’t think the 27D is in the set
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
No 27-D ? Curious.
The set is now at $5.25M, and reserved has not been met. Any predictions?
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
$6,000,0000. 11 hours left.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
first time I have seen coins with stuppler's PQ sticker
a quick comparison of this group and Hansens coins show a bunch of upgrades if Hansen wishes to upgrade
@amwldcoin Adding a 1927-D in any comparable grade to most of the coins in the set would add a couple million bucks to the total. I cataloged two of them during my time at Heritage and did a pretty complete roster of survivors at the time.
Kind regards,
George
How many is a bunch? Would he be upgrading more than 50%?
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
Time left:
Time left: 2h 50m 57s Today 9:00PM
bid at $6 mill, reserve not met
BHNC #203
thanks for the update!
Ebay's bid increment maxes out at $100, even when the current bid is 6 million
https://ebay.com/itm/332601773892?_trksid=p2471758.m4703
Did not sell. What’s next?
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
It's bigly, I tried to buy but seller doesn't want to sell. Blah! Fake newz, Carry on.
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
No Sale!
If they really want to sell the set the coins should be sold individually so they can fetch exactly what they are worth, which is clearly less than the bid. This will get multiple collectors in on the action.
How much money does the seller have in the set? Is it more than 6 Million?, or does the seller want to make a certain profit on the sale?
If the seller can't make a profit at 6 Million, then it may never sell.
Pete
The cost of the coins is unimportant to a buyer. Offer only what they are worth to the buyer and let the seller decide. After looking through the coins, my personal thought is that it is priced too high in the present market - particularly without a 1927-D.
The ebay "event" might have been more market advertising than anything else.
You are correct, Roger. The whole spectacle did give the seller an idea of how much the market was willing to cough up for the listing, though.
Pete
Maybe. Who knows if the bids were from the potted palm in the back of the room...
Interesting possibility. I guess if you know the reserve then it is safe to have someone bid up for you without the consequences of their having to actually purchase. Probably happens more often than might be expected.
Curious what safeguards, if any, EBay has to discourage the practice? Maybe it is viewed as OK for an auction with a reserve, unlike traditional shill bidding when there is no reserve? How do the traditional auction houses view this when there are reserves in place?
Do anyone have a reason the believe this dealer is dishonest?
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
apparently this set was broken up and sold individually at CSNS
It sure was broken up. I paid almost $350,000.00 for the 26D PCGS MS65 CAC. I think over half the set is now sold. The market for BIG gold like that is VERY strong. The 1924 PCGS MS68 (NO CAC) brought well OVER $200,000.00. Didn't understand the auction thing.
I paid crazy prices. I had no reason to trash the set-I spent over $1.5 million on it. And we need a WIRE EDGE MS66 or higher PCGS CAC, NOT a FE.....
Really premium fin rim MCMVII are extremely rare - the fin is very fragile and many have been flattened, chipped or filed. If you want to add to your challenge, look for a coin matching the NGC "proof" description. while not really proof coins, they appear to be among the first 500 made to keep President Roosevelt happy.