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What caused this mess?

JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,282 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I like to collect "natural disasters" from the New Orleans mint. A 1893 O Half came back from PCGS yesterday in a straight graded holder; I was expecting a Details holder:


Abviously the planchet wasn't annealed properly, causing the extremely poor strike, but what caused the ripples across the cheek and neck? My guess it was a planchet flaw rather than struck through, but what theories do any of you have? It makes for an interesting coin.

I love them Barber Halves.....

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  • tommy44tommy44 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My guess (and that of PCGS) is it is a planchet problem and not post mint damage, therefore a straight grade. Interesting coin for sure, I've never seen one with a similar issue.

    it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide

  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a strike-thru or planchet flaw to me.

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  • Yacorie1Yacorie1 Posts: 169 ✭✭✭

    Definitely an interesting coin. I can see the planchet flaw though on the cheek issue but that neck divit looks like something that happened outside of the mint. Even the toning inside of the divit makes me think that - but I don't know anything about errors planchet flaws etc.

    Either way, thanks for posting it.

  • dogwooddogwood Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭✭

    Many 1904o halves notoriously have digs in the cheek allegedly from wood chips.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The cheek looks like a planchet flaw, but the indent in the neck looks like PMD to me.... likely it is not though, or it would not have straight graded... Cheers, RickO

  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,108 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is that the deep dimples variety?

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  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭

    Defective planchet and when the die hit, a gas bubble formed and created a small combustion.

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  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From the photos, and the way surface marks continue through the three prominent defects, my though was a strike-thru. Edges are too smooth and regular for a planchet defect that was severe enough to survive striking.

  • JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,282 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My thought- New Orleans was notorious for improper annealed planchets. Perhaps this was a very "tough" planchet struck in a deformed die with the "Mumps" character. The metal was too hard to fill the deformed die, leaving voids.

    Thoughts?

    I love them Barber Halves.....
  • Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,571 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting. My vote is strike-thru.

    Cool that it came back straight!

    Dave

    Always looking for original, better date VF20-VF35 Barber quarters and halves, and a quality beer.
  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Crap. I open this thread thinking it was a political manifesto.

    Now riding the swell in PM's and surf.
  • BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MilesWaits said:
    Crap. I open this thread thinking it was a political manifesto.

    Sadly, I immediately went to politics as well.

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