Destruction certificate for the other 1933 double eagles.
RogerB
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Needlessly and sadly destroyed. 
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Grrrrrrrrr!
Great find. Not so great government.
Oh the humanity!
Bummer
I don't know where the resulting little bar of gold ended up. Maybe on someone's desk as a souvenir? (More likely at Ft. Knox with the other sweeps bars.)
Sad !!!
Look at it this way: If they hadn't destroyed a "vast majority" of the 1933 DE's, you would all pooh-pooh them as generic gold.
So sad!
I wonder how many more are out there.
It would be something if a coin-for-coin exchange receipt was found like exists for the 1933 $10 eagle.
Interesting that “J.F. Bell” name was listed as James. He was Jacob F. Shapiro but used his “coin” alias for the surrender.
Liberal Politics at it's finest. If I had a time machine I would go back and rally for a hanging!
The action was more "grabby" than political. It was initiated by a coin column writer and implemented by the assistant mint director.
"Obtained' should read as 'Confiscated'
"Keep your malarkey filter in good operating order" -Walter Breen
Very sad moment in time.
Does anyone have a photo or scan of the 1933 eagle coin-for-coin exchange receipt?
I keep mine with my 64-D Peace dollar. Should get them in a double slab someday.
A very sad rembrance wherein our government passes a law limiting our ownership of a basic metal, Now there is initiative to limit ownership of not only guns, but magazines for them. Everyone that owned gold got screwed by the government. Our ancestors should have never turned in their gold, and we should never turn in our guns.
Please "LIKE" if you agree.
OINK
Would be interesting to have an estimate of the tens of thousands of man hours along with the untold millions of dollars pssed away 'investigating' this fubar, with no results at all. All the gov't came up with was that they 'believe' they definitely maybe have been pilfered. Government fubar at its finest. Solving problems by making them larger.
I didn't realize James A. Stack owned one. I've always felt that his pedigree on a coin was one of the best leading indicators of quality - he had an exquisite eye.
What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
I have never understood everyone's fascination with this and reverence of the issue.
Hmmmm...You sure you like to collect coins???
New York, N.Y. well represented.
Interesting, thanks.
"If I say something in the woods and my wife isn't there to hear it.....am I still wrong?"
My Washington Quarter Registry set...in progress
Me either really....same with the 1804 Dollar.
The interest and focus on this issue stems from the denial of possession and confiscation. They are, after all, just pieces of gold, and, other than the date, unremarkable. Of course, the circumstances created what is now a rarity - one that could result in prosecution, but definitely confiscation, if possession is confirmed. Bureaucratic foolishness and nothing more. Cheers, RickO
That was a sad day.
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Attempts to politicize this sad situation or make other claims connected to Constitutional issues are misguided. The actions of US Mint personnel were consistent with their past approach. The knee-jerk reaction and claims of Asst Dir. Howard match those of Dir. Andrew, Dir Kimball, 1955 and 1969-S doubled die cents, private pattern pieces, and lesser known incidents. It was approached as a fundamental self-protective reaction by Mint personnel to any claim of error or malfeasance. That such a position is inherently unfair and presumptive is part of the corporate insular persona.
In the end, the law was served, but Justice was denied.
Funny how the verbiage for collectors of coins is “acquire” , while the Treasury “obtains” what our government confiscates ... that which they produced. Sad, how those in power choose to use such power against our own. Who has legitimacy ? Rather what is illegitimate ?
With respect to our heritage and coinage, some entity went off the deep end , back in ‘13.
Hmmmm...You sure you like to collect coins???
I'm not fascinated by lots of coins steeped in "mystique" and shrouded in Numismatic mystery. how does that equate to liking to collect coins??
Thanks for the "history" lesson and change of topic
Now read Keynes on economics and John Stuart Mill on "liberty and license" for a bit more nuanced take on your micro-social musings. 
Ho hum, just those "semi-automatics". Maybe armor-piercing rounds?
It would be reductio ab adsurdum to suggest you can keep the claymore mines in your front yard.
I'd go to the range with @ricko any day as long as he doesn't try to fix me up with a Desert Eagle
@ColonelJessup.... Actually, the Desert Eagle is quite pleasant to shoot because of it's weight (64 ozs for the .44 Mag)... the weight reduces felt recoil. However, many just do not like recoil or loud discharges... so, I would be happy to fit you with something you enjoy shooting... since it is important to enjoy or you will not practice... or get skilled with your firearm. Cheers, RickO
Or > @DIMEMAN said:
I'm in the same boat....
Now, understanding the HISTORY of the coins we have (or don't have) is a worthwhile part of collecting. A very important part, even. But to whine about that history, or bemoan the fact that 10 1913 Liberty Nickels weren't made, or complaining that more 1885 3CN weren't made, or arguing about whether the VDB should or shouldn't have been removed, (or whatever), just seems kind of silly to me.
The history is the history. It's all worth knowing, but it's also completely unchangeable.
The Eliasberg specimen was not listed in the destruction list presented by Roger.
There were many more Witch Hunts and burnings to come.
Pete
It took over three years to get all 8 coins. The first round ,March 24-25, 1944 was in NYC. Jake Shapiro ,from Chicago, had just purchased his and never made It home with it. He gave the Feds his pseudo name J.F. Bell, and used Stack’s address for the confiscation. I guess they did not care as long as they got the coins. Not sure who gave him up to the Feds.
Because you can't seem to understand why so many people are intrigued by the 33 double eagles!
Edit to add! LOLOLOLOLOLOL! Since you decided to belittle me with a disagree I returned the favor!
I agree. Much more pleasant than the 500 magnum. That one's a wrist breaker! I have 1st gen DE that I bought new in the late 80's. My 500 is actually the Magnum Research version -- BFG, lol
The Eliasburg destruction letter is in that thread.