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This is what you should have in your Indian Head Cent set: The Definitive List

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1859 No Shield
1859 With Shield
1859/1859 RPD FS-301 S-1
1860
1860 Pointed Bust FS-401
1861
1862
1863
1864 Copper-Nickel
1864 Bronze
1864 L on Ribbon
1865 Fancy 5
1865 Plain 5
1866
1867
1867/67 RPD FS-301 S-1
1868
1869
1869/69 RPD FS-301 S-3
1870 Bold N
1870 Shallow N FS-901
1871 Bold N
1871 Shallow N FS-901
1872 Bold N
1872 Shallow N FS-901
1873 Open 3
1873 Closed 3
1873 Doubled LIBERTY S-1
1874
1875
1876
1877
1878
1879
1880
1881
1882
1883
1884
1885
1886 Variety 1
1886 Variety 2
1887
1888/7 Overdate S-1
1888
1889
1890
1891
1892
1893
1894
1894/1894 Doubled Date S-1
1895
1896
1897
1897 1 in Neck S-1
1898
1899
1900
1901
1902
1903
1904
1905
1906
1907
1908
1908-S
1909 Indian
1909-S Indian

Doug

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  • 1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,416 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Haven't looked but they may have this list in the registry

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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,409 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sounds a lot like my old set that I sold off in 2005. :+1:



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  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,460 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice - Thank you!

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have much work to do..... :D;) Cheers, RickO

  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,905 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is quite a list................and quite a project to complete :smile:

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  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,460 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1630Boston said:
    That is quite a list................and quite a project to complete :smile:

    Yea, and I'm trying to do it with PCGS 64 or higher coins. I gotta be kidding myself...but i'll keep trying anyway. ;)

    And I didn't forget about the Flying Eagles, which I consider part of doing a set such as this. :)

  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,010 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful Lakes, the major variety set is missing just a few that I think are important coins like the 1859 w/shield. Many were struck as business strikes and they should be included in the major variety set instead of being relegated to a pattern status. Why include 1856 in flyers then? It’s more of a pattern than the w/Sheild. There are plenty out there to collect. I think 4-5 are available right now in MS grades.

    Doug
  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 4, 2018 3:13PM

    Exactly correct.

    The Mint State Flying Eagles are as follows:
    1856 S3
    1857 Type of 1856
    1857
    1858/7 S1
    1/1858/7 S7
    1858 Large Letter Reverse of '57 (High Leaves)
    1858 Large Letter Reverse of '58 (Low Leaves)
    1858 Small Letter Reverse of '57 (High Leaves)
    1858 Small Letter Reverse of '58 (Low Leaves)

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  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,010 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree!! Thanks Rick!

    Doug
  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,485 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Those lists are as complete as they get. I couldn't add anything to them..

    Pete

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  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 4, 2018 3:35PM


    :/

  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,010 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @topstuf said:
    !"")
    :/

    Well if you are going to have a definitive set of one, then you are complete :wink:

    Doug
  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,340 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just another opinion folks!

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  • OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭✭✭

    and perhaps you should all of the Proof specimens too????????

    OINK

  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,010 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, it's just an opinion. I collect a lot of other ones too but these seem to have more significance. Anyone can argue for or against, doesn't bother me. An interesting one would be whether you consider a Lincoln Cent collection complete without the 1909 VDB?

    OINK - stayed away from proofs :). Maybe I'll find a 63 w/L proof one day and lobby to have it put in the set lol

    Doug
  • OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DMWJR said:
    Yes, it's just an opinion. I collect a lot of other ones too but these seem to have more significance. Anyone can argue for or against, doesn't bother me. An interesting one would be whether you consider a Lincoln Cent collection complete without the 1909 VDB?

    OINK - stayed away from proofs :). Maybe I'll find a 63 w/L proof one day and lobby to have it put in the set lol

    I have always found it odd that some collectors have an attraction to MS coins with all of their manufacturing defects, which are called varieties. MS coins are never graded to the same high standards as are PR coins. I prefer to collect the best the Mint produced as the highest quality coins possible. But if you prefer the challenge of finding all of the MS coins and vraieties, I respect your collection preferrence. But please do not define your list as "Definitive" as I find that you wish to place yourself as a collector that sets a standard for all other collectors.

    OINK

  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,010 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ok. It's just my opinion of course, so I assume you follow your own set preferences. The list above doesn't include all of my personal preferences (some proofs included). As we've always said - collect what you like. I have a very rare proof because I like it, and I think an IHC collector should attempt to have one, but I don't think it is a standard. As a collector (not as long as you) I think it is a good think to give a collectors view, other than the canned CPG or PCGS major variety lists. 56-64 represent a remarkable era in the series with experimentation of alloys and designs released for the general public. It seems fitting to add them to a standard business set. There are plenty of examples in other series that have become acceptable standards for the set. This period just seems to have more of them. And who pulled out the old shallow N reverse for a few years and used it side by side with the new bold N reverse?

    If you want to just collect a date set that's ok too by me

    Doug
  • OverdateOverdate Posts: 7,052 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If the 1859 With Shield is part of the set, shouldn't the 1858 No Shield be included also?

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  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Overdate said:
    If the 1859 With Shield is part of the set, shouldn't the 1858 No Shield be included also?

    The 1859 Shield was stuck for circulation, the 1858 Laurel wreath was not. The J-208s that are graded MS are likely just proofs struck with dies that lost their mirrors.

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  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,010 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 5, 2018 3:17PM

    @Overdate said:
    If the 1859 With Shield is part of the set, shouldn't the 1858 No Shield be included also?

    Are you referring to J-208c / P-253? I don't know about that. All I know is from what I have read that the mint director requested the shield be added to the 1859 and sent a few proofs for approval at which point 1000 or more were ordered to be produced (in Business strike). J-208(c) was primarily a part of the 12 piece pattern set, and obviously not made for 1859 since it has an 1858 date. I don't know why they made a few of them in business strike, but I'm sure someone can come along and tell us.

    Doug
  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,010 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oops. Sorry I didn't see that Rick had posted

    Doug
  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful set, congrats

    Frank

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  • STEWARTBLAYNUMISSTEWARTBLAYNUMIS Posts: 2,697 ✭✭✭✭

    What about the 12 piece pattern set ?
    WhT about the J 214 with no date In copper nickel ?

  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,010 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just the essential business strikes. Proofs and Patterns have their own lists, and the 12 pc pattern set defines itself :smile:

    This is just what I consider essential in my appreciation of the IHC series made for commerce. Is it more fun to collect something that was not made for collecting or something that was? Each to his own. (I do like the patterns though :open_mouth: !!!

    The entire transition period from large cent to bronze small cent is the most important era of the history of the US Cent to me, anyway.

    Doug
  • OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 5, 2018 5:59PM

    @DMWJR "Just the essential business strikes." Some Registry sets include business strike and proof strikes.

    So I now understand that you are suggesting that an essential set of Indian cent business strike coins would consist of 70 coins as you have listed above. In the PCGS Registry the required coin count for sets with major varieties are only 64 coins. So what coins are you suggesting PCGS add to their Registry set with major varieties. The set with all varieties is 185 coins, and I am not sure that anyone has all of them, ever. Maybe not even Rick Snow has touched all of them?

    I would think that the additional coins that you are suggesting might be more reasonable than what I thought you were proposing until I looked up the Registry set requirements.

    OINK

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