1882 O/S heavily die polished?
JonnyJ
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JonnyJ
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I've been curious about this coin for awhile..Full luster but broken cartwheel...bust face is polished but ends at ears,hair and devices
sorry for my sub par photography, working on it
Looks heavily cleaned to me, not die polished but i'm no expert. Love the o/s variety though.
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I obviously am missing something here. Could someone explain to me how a heavily cleaned coin can have mostly unbroken luster? Thank you!
Easy. Luster is the reflection of light from a surface. That's why a POLISHED coin looks like a mirror. the OP's coin is heavily buffed. The light reflection from the surface of a polished coin is different from that of a buffed coin. In any case, both have luster, it is not Original Mint Luster. Coins buffed in one direction as this appears to be "flash" twice as you rotate them in the light (when the microscopic scratches from the buffing are perpendicular to the light). Original cartwheel luster "flash" is always present as you rotate the coin.
cleaned to death and them some
Interesting...upon further examination, with lots of eye strain, the lines on the coin are indeed raised.
Based on those pictures, I cannot confirm die polish....Cheers, RickO
i like the o/s variety as well.
You have the coin but based on the image, I can assure you that most of the lines are not raised. Now, let me come over to your side for just a minute. Lets assume there are some raised lines and some that are not. How can we get parallel lines on the surface of a coin?
If the lines are raised: Die polish in virtually every case.
If the lines are into the surface: PMD scratches or striations that were not struck out of the planchet.
Now, look at the chin and to the left along the jaw. Note how a thin whitish line runs along the field and into the chin. This is what marks on a planchet look like. If that is the case, and your coin is original, you have one heck of a neat coin! Nevertheless, I still think your coin is heavily buffed because the lines on the obverse run N-S while those on the reverse run E-W. In any case, the reverse has been improperly cleaned leaving continuous hairlines all over the field.
I've taken images of a 2017 British 2 P silver coin showing the incuse lines that were on the planchet. Note the inside of the lines is whitish and original. The second image shows the lines near and on the coin's rim.
This image shows the other side of the coin with virtually parallel hairlines from mishandling. Note that they stop just before the relief design, continue over the design, stop, and go on again.
The coin has been heavily polished NOT the die.
Thank you very much for the replies! I will work on posting close ups that show the lines running up to, under or behind the devices. I'm not convinced this is PMD. I have several heavily whizzed and lightly whizzed Morgans to compare to and this coin is very different. Granted these are crappy photos, I apologize. Thanks again and happy collecting!
I have a bunch like this and I'm also a collector of heavy die polished Morgan's. This coin is PMD.
Too bad they ruined a perfect O/S by cleaning it.
Here is a BU 1888-s with heavy U.S. Mint die polish that looks like buffing:
So cleaning/whizzed/buffed etc will show markings on all surfaces, but heavily polished dies not so much on devices?
If you borrow a copy of the book From Mine to Mint you can read about how die polishing was done as well a a lot of other details on 19th and early 20th century coinage operations.
Yes.
The above statement is correct. The OP coin shows lines that continue into the devices.
A reworked coin shows lines on the surface of the coin, because the devices are INCUSE on the die.
Nice follow up pictures Insider2.
Pete
Here's a few better pics
these two pics show the raised lines a bit
The coins shows "Scotch Brite" cleaning. Really. The reason the lines look raised is because the lines imparted by the cleaning are so close together that there has to be something raised in between them. These do give off a weird "luster," but it's not to be confused with actual mint luster from a problem-free coin.
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