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1857 Flying Eagle Cent

PocketArtPocketArt Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭

I was the under bidder on this particular coin about 8 months ago in a local auction. There were plenty of quality offerings in that sale that occupied my attention, and burned up my cash that day. After the auction, I approached the buyer and mentioned, "If you ever decide to sell this coin; please keep me in mind."

What initially attracted my attention to this coin was not just the original condition; I noticed there was something quite interesting going on with the "F" in "OF" on the obverse.

Well, last Wednesday at the local coin club meeting the buyer approached me with the coin, and indicated it was for sale as he upgraded. I didn't bother to haggle the $200 for coin and bought it!

Here are pics, please tell me what you believe to be the grade, and what you believe to be happening with the "F" in "OF." I believe condition to be around AU-50-55 "ish." I'm thinking the "F" was re-cut perhaps, and a bit of doubling occurred on the primary "F"? IDK for certain- please let me know your thoughts. Thanks!

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 23, 2018 3:36PM

    Never saw this before. My guess, die chip. Same as the "M."

  • JBKJBK Posts: 16,399 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 23, 2018 4:26PM

    Interesting. Is the F the same relief off the surface as the other letters? Almost looks like they dug out whatever was there and tried again at the bottom of the hole they dig into the die.

    But probably what @Insider2 said - die chipping away around the letter. There is lots of wear and tear on that die - in the letters, at the edge, etc.

    But how nice it is to have the luxury of such good pics of the issue in question.

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting!

  • PocketArtPocketArt Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:
    Interesting. Is the F the same relief off the surfaces as the other letters? Almost looks like they dug out whatever was there and tried again at the bottom of the howl they dig into the die.

    But probably what @Insider2 said - die chipping away around the letter. There is lots of wear and tear on that die - in the letters, at the edge, etc.

    But how nice it is to have the luxury of such good pics of the issue in question.

    Thank you for asking as I didn't look for differences on letters for degree of relief. "F" appears slightly elevated in comparison to other letters. Yes, I do believe some sort of chipping occurred; yet, was mint modified. Actually, looks like a smaller "F" was inset on top the larger.

  • 1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,427 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe @EagleEye has seen this before.

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  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 5,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 23, 2018 6:10PM


    It appears to be the S-22 "repaired OF".
    https://indiancent.wikispaces.com/1857

  • RayboRaybo Posts: 5,337 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $200 well spent IMHO

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I guess Rick did not see the "Reworked" left side of the "M" or the outline near the top of the "A" that became visible when I magnified the OP's image.

    A very unusual coin. First, explain how the die was made that way. Since it was not that way originally, something happened to it to cause the die to crumble and then need to be reengraved (graver line for the left stand of the "M" and "repunched F ?" into a hole (a missing portion of the original die). Calling @EagleEye

  • KkathylKkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Certainly one of a kind and agree it looks like die chip. Great coin. Very Happy for you.

    Best place to buy !
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  • cecropiamothcecropiamoth Posts: 969 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice purchase for $200!

  • aclocoacloco Posts: 952 ✭✭✭

    Believe the engraver, grabbed the "T" punch instead of the "F" punch.

    @Insider2 said:
    I guess Rick did not see the "Reworked" left side of the "M" or the outline near the top of the "A" that became visible when I magnified the OP's image.

    A very unusual coin. First, explain how the die was made that way. Since it was not that way originally, something happened to it to cause the die to crumble and then need to be reengraved (graver line for the left stand of the "M" and "repunched F ?" into a hole (a missing portion of the original die). Calling @EagleEye

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like some die chipping and re-punching without clean up.... Cheers, RickO

  • Kind of cool

    Philadelphia North American May 27th, 1857
    Scenes At The Mint.-The new cent is so
    attractive that everybody is besieging the Mint
    with sums varying from a quarter dollar to fifty
    dollars, to effect an exchange for the pretty
    offering of 1857. So great was the jam, that
    yesterday morning it was found necessary to call
    in the aid of the police to enforce the good old
    barber shop rule, "first come first served."
    The Director of the Mint now finds himself unable
    to keep up the supply-as there are other cities
    besides Philadelphia to be accommodated, and will,
    therefore, suspend the further issue for a few days.
    There are a large quantity already in the hands
    of out citizens, and they will soon become circulated
    ubiquitously. The demand for the coin in small
    quantities yesterday was so lively that the
    newsboys dropped their usual avocation and
    "got up a corner," in selling the new cents to the
    curious at the rate of three for (a) sixpence. Go-ahead juveniles,
    those newsboys.

  • PocketArtPocketArt Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @yosclimber said:

    It appears to be the S-22 "repaired OF".
    https://indiancent.wikispaces.com/1857

    That's it! Thanks yosclimber!

    I wonder if the alloy of the Flying Eagle cent, containing nickel, had anything to do with creating the excessive chipping around the letters on the dies once production was brought up to scale in 1857. Would it have been a learning process with strengthening dies, heating, etc., with this particular alloy?

    I believe it was the first time nickel was employed into U.S. coinage? Learning curve?

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